Rough/Constant Irrumatio Tribute (and sharing) Thread

What’s interesting is that Japan may be experiencing a slow bleed rather than a sudden collapse.

The traditional JAV industry still has an unusually strong older paying customer base. Reporting on the Japanese adult industry notes that older consumers continue to buy substantial numbers of DVDs, and Japan has a sizable “senior porn” market supported by an aging population with purchasing power.

At the same time, free tube sites such as MISSAV have become heavily used in Japan, undermining the value of paying studios for access to the same kind of content.

Then MyFans adds a second source of pressure by allowing performers to monetize fans directly.

It resembles the same one-two punch that hit American porn studios:

Free tube sites: weaken the studio’s ability to charge consumers for the finished product.

OnlyFans/MyFans: weaken the studio’s role as the necessary middleman between performers and paying fans.

The difference is that Japan’s legacy physical-media market appears to have more staying power because older customers still spend money on DVDs and traditional JAV products.

So instead of an immediate collapse, the danger may be a prolonged squeeze:

piracy/free streaming erodes the value of the studio’s catalog, while direct-to-fan platforms erode the studio’s control over monetizing the talent.

It’s an almost brutally efficient sequence of technological disruption, even though it obviously wasn’t coordinated:

First, “Why should the customer pay the studio?”

Then, “Why should the performer need the studio?”

That’s how an industry can keep functioning for years while its economic foundation is gradually being hollowed out.


One possible way JAV studios survive is by leaning harder into the one advantage they still have over MyFans: they can make an unknown actress famous.

Starting directly on MyFans sounds great in theory, but there’s an obvious problem:

Nobody knows who you are.

A studio can solve that by signing promising new talent to something like a five-movie contract.

The studio provides professional production, distribution, marketing, established branding and immediate exposure to an existing audience. In return, the actress gives the studio enough movies to justify the investment they made in building her name.

After that contract ends, she can transition to MyFans with something far more valuable than she had at the beginning:

an actual fanbase.

So the career path becomes:

Obscurity → 5 JAV movies → name recognition → MyFans → direct monetization

That could actually keep studios relevant even if direct-to-fan platforms become increasingly dominant. JAV becomes less of a lifelong destination and more of a talent incubator and launchpad.

The problem for studios is what happens when MyFans eventually responds:

“Hottest New Talent.”

lol.

If MyFans develops strong enough discovery tools—featured newcomers, recommendation algorithms, paid promotion, cross-promotion by established actresses, talent agencies, etc.—then it begins attacking the final major advantage JAV studios still possess.

At first MyFans says:

“You don’t need a studio to monetize your fame.”

Eventually it could say:

“You don’t even need a studio to become famous.”

That would be the much more dangerous stage.

Studios could protect themselves with multi-film contracts and exclusivity periods, but if MyFans eventually controls both monetization AND discovery, then JAV studios risk becoming increasingly unnecessary middlemen.

The irony would be incredible:

JAV: “You still need us to escape obscurity.”

MyFans: “Meet this week’s hottest new actresses.”

That’s when the slow bleed potentially becomes a much bigger problem.
 
JAV films have a strange trait: they tend to cast actresses in unflattering/poorly ways, rather than showcasing their beauty to demonstrate how, despite their physical attractiveness, the actress(es) are submissive to the male’s desires, This is something noticeable especially in a Dominance genre like [Forced] Deepthroat (irrumatio).

They should dressing them beautifully and attractively, using light-makeup to highlight their beauty, and showing how, despite the external beauty, they become a service experience that satisfies the man’s lust.
I couldnt agree more. A very good analysis.
 
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What’s interesting is that Japan may be experiencing a slow bleed rather than a sudden collapse.

The traditional JAV industry still has an unusually strong older paying customer base. Reporting on the Japanese adult industry notes that older consumers continue to buy substantial numbers of DVDs, and Japan has a sizable “senior porn” market supported by an aging population with purchasing power.

At the same time, free tube sites such as MISSAV have become heavily used in Japan, undermining the value of paying studios for access to the same kind of content.

Then MyFans adds a second source of pressure by allowing performers to monetize fans directly.

It resembles the same one-two punch that hit American porn studios:

Free tube sites: weaken the studio’s ability to charge consumers for the finished product.

OnlyFans/MyFans: weaken the studio’s role as the necessary middleman between performers and paying fans.

The difference is that Japan’s legacy physical-media market appears to have more staying power because older customers still spend money on DVDs and traditional JAV products.

So instead of an immediate collapse, the danger may be a prolonged squeeze:

piracy/free streaming erodes the value of the studio’s catalog, while direct-to-fan platforms erode the studio’s control over monetizing the talent.

It’s an almost brutally efficient sequence of technological disruption, even though it obviously wasn’t coordinated:

First, “Why should the customer pay the studio?”

Then, “Why should the performer need the studio?”

That’s how an industry can keep functioning for years while its economic foundation is gradually being hollowed out.


One possible way JAV studios survive is by leaning harder into the one advantage they still have over MyFans: they can make an unknown actress famous.

Starting directly on MyFans sounds great in theory, but there’s an obvious problem:

Nobody knows who you are.

A studio can solve that by signing promising new talent to something like a five-movie contract.

The studio provides professional production, distribution, marketing, established branding and immediate exposure to an existing audience. In return, the actress gives the studio enough movies to justify the investment they made in building her name.

After that contract ends, she can transition to MyFans with something far more valuable than she had at the beginning:

an actual fanbase.

So the career path becomes:

Obscurity → 5 JAV movies → name recognition → MyFans → direct monetization

That could actually keep studios relevant even if direct-to-fan platforms become increasingly dominant. JAV becomes less of a lifelong destination and more of a talent incubator and launchpad.

The problem for studios is what happens when MyFans eventually responds:

“Hottest New Talent.”

lol.

If MyFans develops strong enough discovery tools—featured newcomers, recommendation algorithms, paid promotion, cross-promotion by established actresses, talent agencies, etc.—then it begins attacking the final major advantage JAV studios still possess.

At first MyFans says:

“You don’t need a studio to monetize your fame.”

Eventually it could say:

“You don’t even need a studio to become famous.”

That would be the much more dangerous stage.

Studios could protect themselves with multi-film contracts and exclusivity periods, but if MyFans eventually controls both monetization AND discovery, then JAV studios risk becoming increasingly unnecessary middlemen.

The irony would be incredible:

JAV: “You still need us to escape obscurity.”

MyFans: “Meet this week’s hottest new actresses.”

That’s when the slow bleed potentially becomes a much bigger problem.
Is this AI? Lol
 
Nishita Mizuki IPZZ-957

I quite enjoyed this.

For you purists out there, you can just fast forward the non blowjob scenes.

It's a good combo of:

face structure/symmetry
skill+tolerance of oxygen deprivation

According to a couple of websites, she only has two titles in her career. Has she been around for a while, and changed her name? Anyone recognize her?

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1. IPZZ-957 is a nice movie. the 'Nurse'-hospital concept is lovely, and the set design creates a atmosphere.

However, there’s no Deep-throating (and the distributors didn’t even tag it as such).
It’s a 'mouth fuck' at most.

(The weirdest part is that worse movies than this get the "Deep Throat" tag and this one doesn't)

The first scene is more anal and vaginal than oral. A once good actor Yusuke also looks tired, he starting to remind me the bad actor, Pierre.
The second scene features a lot of small dicks.
and the scene with TECH I really don't like this actor, He's been a solo actor in a three previous movies of "deep throat" genre
He has a small dick and doesn't know how to fuck a throat.


2. The film KNKS-001 is as bad as DDFF-054. It features no "deep throating" rather, its central theme is around vomiting and urination.
She has a weak skills that can’t even handle a small dicks.
the majority of the film doesn’t even focus on any kind of oral sex, blowjob, mouth fuck, and "Deepthroat" at all.
It instead focusing on the ingestion of stomach acid, food residue, and urine.
(but this get the "Deep Throat" tag)


From a heterosexual perspective:
"Deep Throat" involves the interaction between a large male/man penis and a woman's throat. It about how the penis enters, how deep it penetrates, and the intensity with which it thrusts inside the throat. It also relates to how open the throat becomes, how it receives, and turns into an instrument of pleasure. Finally, it reflects how much of the woman gives, allowing the act and succeeding without instinctively wanting the penis to exit her throat.

This is the foundation, JAV seems to have forgotten this.
 
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1. IPZZ-957 is a nice movie. the 'Nurse'-hospital concept is lovely, and the set design creates a atmosphere.

However, there’s no Deep-throating (and the distributors didn’t even tag it as such).
It’s a 'mouth fuck' at most.

(The weirdest part is that worse movies than this get the "Deep Throat" tag and this one doesn't)

The first scene is more anal and vaginal than oral. A once good actor Yusuke also looks tired, he starting to remind me the bad actor, Pierre.
The second scene features a lot of small dicks.
and the scene with TECH I really don't like this actor, He's been a solo actor in a three previous movies of "deep throat" genre
He has a small dick and doesn't know how to fuck a throat.


2. The film KNKS-001 is as bad as DDFF-054. It features no "deep throating" rather, its central theme is around vomiting and urination.
She has a weak skills that can’t even handle a small dicks.
the majority of the film doesn’t even focus on any kind of oral sex, blowjob, mouth fuck, and "Deepthroat" at all.
It instead focusing on the ingestion of stomach acid, food residue, and urine.
(but this get the "Deep Throat" tag)


From a heterosexual perspective:
"Deep Throat" involves the interaction between a large male/man penis and a woman's throat. It about how the penis enters, how deep it penetrates, and the intensity with which it thrusts inside the throat. It also relates to how open the throat becomes, how it receives, and turns into an instrument of pleasure. Finally, it reflects how much of the woman gives, allowing the act and succeeding without instinctively wanting the penis to exit her throat.

This is the foundation, JAV seems to have forgotten this.
It's all in the eye of the beholder I guess.

IPZZ-957 isn't a top tier irrumatio title. But it doesn't need to be.

It contains non blowjob sex.

Male actors at times occasionally puts the brakes on the intensity so the actress isn't absolutely overwhelmed. Makes me wonder if she pinches their leg, to signal when she's about to suffocate or something. Also, the male actors kinda allow her to warm up, and don't push her limits immediately from the start.

I suppose that's par for the course, since her ability to negotiate is still pretty strong, assuming she's genuinely a new actress? Not to mention she is above average in looks.

However for me, the decent intensity irrumatio that it does contain is pretty good.

IPZZ-957 time stamp 19:46

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time stamp 19:47 (opportunity to measure the penis if needed, but the actor is Yusuke)

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A little more Yusuke: 21:23

I suppose the velocity/intensity of her throating is subjective to be judged by the beholder, but for me it seems pretty good.

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Now it's Samejima's turn. time stamp (20:20)
I'll admit Samejima isn't pushing her to her limits or anything in terms of speed/intensity. Not yet.

Speed/intensity is lower, but his thrusting is still penetrating deep.

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time stamp 20:23. An opportunity to measure the penis if needed, but the actor is Samejima. Also an opportunity to gauge whether it's genuinely fully erect, or semi erect. It seems fully erect.


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Samejima has kicked it up a notch here. The total range of his thrusting movement is deep, but range of thrusting movement is short, which I admit is kinda taking it easy on her, but dude I'll take it.

An above average looking girl, taking it deep. The thrust speed and range of movement isn't absolutely insane, but she is definitely working hard, and you can see how it's taxing her.

When Samejima is replaced by Yusuke in this scene, he utilizes a higher range of thrust motion. Pretty good.



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In this scene, once again Samejima does not test her limits right away. At time stamp 26:00 is the sweet spot for me. I admit his range of motion is short, but it's deep, and I do believe she's genuinely struggling.

A hot girl struggling with Samejima's dick all the way down her throat? I'll take it.

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Yusuke's turn. time stamp 27:19

Similar description as above with Samejima.



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pretty decent camera work too, I think.

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time stamp 42:56

Yusuke utilizes pretty decent speed/intensity.

If the dude's balls is consistently touching her nose, then I'll take it.

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Here, Samejima gets a few good thrusts in, right before she pushes him off. She got a bit overwhelmed, but Samejima utilizes a bit of binta across her face to punish her for having the audacity to prioritize her oxygen intake over his pleasure. That will teach her to wait.


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Next scene, with a different set of male actors. Yeah in this pic, one of them is definitely not as endowed. He's the token actor tasked with the role of not being too intense on her, so that's she not completely overwhelmed. But there's a couple of decent sizes dicks in here.

I guess it's not black and white for me. It doesn't have to be a 10 out of 10. There are trade offs.

I see the glass half full. I'm blown away that a cute girl is starting at this level (assuming she's not a JAV veteran that changed her name)

A girl with these looks is pushing her own limits? I'll take it.

It's not about 10 out of 10 in terms of zero vaginal sex, and full range of thrust motion, and speed / intensity for me. Don't get me wrong, I love that shit.

A medium dick can cause genuine physiological distress, because not all throats are created equal, which only applies in the second scene.

In the first scene she was taking both Yusuke and Samejima all the way.

A hot girl taking those dudes down all the way, and exhibiting genuine physiological distress. I'll take it every time.

Also on a sidenote, I also enjoyed both KNKS-001 and DDFF-054.

I'm not a fan of vomit. I did appreciate their efforts of mitigating the chunky variety of vomit, and making it more liquid.

I prefer zero vomit. I suppose I'm grateful that I can tolerate the vomit enough, to derive pleasure and value from these titles. The level of intensity of thrusting against her throat is unfortunately frequently interrupted by vomit, but I see the glass half full, no pun intended.

The thrusting against her throat is pretty damn good.

Don't get me wrong. I cringe and fast forward through the parts when she's drinking that vile liquid. But I still derive value from the good stuff.

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1. First of all: I agree, It's all in the eye of the beholder.
2. You asked if she New or not: according to the understanding she is a AV veteran that changed her name.
3. I do not like Samejima at all, he total crap actor.
4. In any case, I dislike detailed frame-by-frame descriptions, but I will do try to explain it this time:

First, performing deepthroat in 'standing up" position, which the throat is penetrated deep down is depends on the angle of penetration, the shape of the penis and its size, In some scenes, you can see the throat moving and bulging, which indicates full penetration into the throat. (example: ANAV with Ichika Kasagi)

To perform this, what is done first, insert deep the entire penis inside the throat, and then perform the thrusting motions.
It is similar to the supine position (lying on back), first penetrate, then fuck the throat.

The frame you mentioned, where the actor's penis seems "fully" inside her mouth is correct, but the penetration does not reach the gag reflex and further; only from that point onwards does the throat itself truly begin and by my standard I call it "Deepthroat".

5. In frame 27:17-27:23 (only 5 seconds of "fucking") and also my favorite pose, the throat is not penetrated to its full depth, nor is there any bulging of the throat.
Note that after the pause, a new penetration occurs at 27:50, but the cameraman decides to move behind the actor. This is a poor choice because it doesn’t allow us to see the throat at all.

Therefore, I disagree with you on this: "pretty decent camera work too, I think." the camera work was bad.
Filming from behind the actor is something that happens often in JAV and demonstrates a lack of deep throat, like an attempt to hide the depth or lack of skill.

6. Note that I intentionally left three of the screenshots you uploaded, as I am referring to them in these sections.
One of them is good, with the correct angle, clearly showing the throat and the body.
The other two are not good; you can see the actress’s face and pixels of the scrotum bag.
Also, her facial reaction is visible, but the throat cannot be seen.


7. The best angles are those that clearly show the throat, taken from a diagonal angle (half up, half from the side) or almost completely from above.
Not too close, when you can see at the upper body, including the collarbones and the chest.

Ultimately, I want to see the throat being fucked, so it’s preferable to show it from flattering angles. Of course, it’s important also to show the actress’s reaction at certain moments.

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I think the specific scene from hublk-062, apart from the ending (ejaculation in throat) where the cameraman moved behind the actor, demonstrated good angles well and fine scene.

8. By the way, I don’t recall many scenes that are 100% deepthroat without toys, and zero vaginal and/or anal. In my opinion, there should be more scenes that are deepthroat 100% from start to finish.
 

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1. First of all: I agree, It's all in the eye of the beholder.
2. You asked if she New or not: according to the understanding she is a AV veteran that changed her name.
3. I do not like Samejima at all, he total crap actor.
4. In any case, I dislike detailed frame-by-frame descriptions, but I will do try to explain it this time:

First, performing deepthroat in 'standing up" position, which the throat is penetrated deep down is depends on the angle of penetration, the shape of the penis and its size, In some scenes, you can see the throat moving and bulging, which indicates full penetration into the throat. (example: ANAV with Ichika Kasagi)

To perform this, what is done first, insert deep the entire penis inside the throat, and then perform the thrusting motions.
It is similar to the supine position (lying on back), first penetrate, then fuck the throat.

The frame you mentioned, where the actor's penis seems "fully" inside her mouth is correct, but the penetration does not reach the gag reflex and further; only from that point onwards does the throat itself truly begin and by my standard I call it "Deepthroat".

5. In frame 27:17-27:23 (only 5 seconds of "fucking") and also my favorite pose, the throat is not penetrated to its full depth, nor is there any bulging of the throat.
Note that after the pause, a new penetration occurs at 27:50, but the cameraman decides to move behind the actor. This is a poor choice because it doesn’t allow us to see the throat at all.

Therefore, I disagree with you on this: "pretty decent camera work too, I think." the camera work was bad.
Filming from behind the actor is something that happens often in JAV and demonstrates a lack of deep throat, like an attempt to hide the depth or lack of skill.

6. Note that I intentionally left three of the screenshots you uploaded, as I am referring to them in these sections.
One of them is good, with the correct angle, clearly showing the throat and the body.
The other two are not good; you can see the actress’s face and pixels of the scrotum bag.
Also, her facial reaction is visible, but the throat cannot be seen.


7. The best angles are those that clearly show the throat, taken from a diagonal angle (half up, half from the side) or almost completely from above.
Not too close, when you can see at the upper body, including the collarbones and the chest.

Ultimately, I want to see the throat being fucked, so it’s preferable to show it from flattering angles. Of course, it’s important also to show the actress’s reaction at certain moments.

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I think the specific scene from hublk-062, apart from the ending (ejaculation in throat) where the cameraman moved behind the actor, demonstrated good angles well and fine scene.

8. By the way, I don’t recall many scenes that are 100% deepthroat without toys, and zero vaginal and/or anal. In my opinion, there should be more scenes that are deepthroat 100% from start to finish.
True connoisseurs know what real deepthroat means. But some will always just say “well, dick is in her mouth further than the tip so its deepthroat”. No need to try to explain, seems we will always have to just have to find the true throat action amongst the meaningless labels other people and sites give these titles.

That last Mari Kagami pic is, in my opinion, the greatest single JAV deepthroat moment caught on film. So sad she retired.
 
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1. First of all: I agree, It's all in the eye of the beholder.
2. You asked if she New or not: according to the understanding she is a AV veteran that changed her name.
3. I do not like Samejima at all, he total crap actor.
4. In any case, I dislike detailed frame-by-frame descriptions, but I will do try to explain it this time:

First, performing deepthroat in 'standing up" position, which the throat is penetrated deep down is depends on the angle of penetration, the shape of the penis and its size, In some scenes, you can see the throat moving and bulging, which indicates full penetration into the throat. (example: ANAV with Ichika Kasagi)

To perform this, what is done first, insert deep the entire penis inside the throat, and then perform the thrusting motions.
It is similar to the supine position (lying on back), first penetrate, then fuck the throat.

The frame you mentioned, where the actor's penis seems "fully" inside her mouth is correct, but the penetration does not reach the gag reflex and further; only from that point onwards does the throat itself truly begin and by my standard I call it "Deepthroat".

5. In frame 27:17-27:23 (only 5 seconds of "fucking") and also my favorite pose, the throat is not penetrated to its full depth, nor is there any bulging of the throat.
Note that after the pause, a new penetration occurs at 27:50, but the cameraman decides to move behind the actor. This is a poor choice because it doesn’t allow us to see the throat at all.

Therefore, I disagree with you on this: "pretty decent camera work too, I think." the camera work was bad.
Filming from behind the actor is something that happens often in JAV and demonstrates a lack of deep throat, like an attempt to hide the depth or lack of skill.

6. Note that I intentionally left three of the screenshots you uploaded, as I am referring to them in these sections.
One of them is good, with the correct angle, clearly showing the throat and the body.
The other two are not good; you can see the actress’s face and pixels of the scrotum bag.
Also, her facial reaction is visible, but the throat cannot be seen.


7. The best angles are those that clearly show the throat, taken from a diagonal angle (half up, half from the side) or almost completely from above.
Not too close, when you can see at the upper body, including the collarbones and the chest.

Ultimately, I want to see the throat being fucked, so it’s preferable to show it from flattering angles. Of course, it’s important also to show the actress’s reaction at certain moments.

examples:
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I think the specific scene from hublk-062, apart from the ending (ejaculation in throat) where the cameraman moved behind the actor, demonstrated good angles well and fine scene.

8. By the way, I don’t recall many scenes that are 100% deepthroat without toys, and zero vaginal and/or anal. In my opinion, there should be more scenes that are deepthroat 100% from start to finish.
That's an excellent point about the camera work. You're right. The camera work in true 10/10 titles puts this one to shame.

Also, regarding your statement:

“according to the understanding she is a AV veteran that changed her name”

I'm not sure what “the understanding” refers to. If you know her previous stage name, or have a source showing that she's an AV veteran performing under a new name, I'd genuinely like to know.

Where I disagree is when you turn some otherwise reasonable observations into a rigid anatomical rule.

You wrote that the penis can appear fully inside the mouth, but that the “throat itself truly begins” only after a particular point, and that only beyond that point would you personally call it deep throat.

Anatomically, it isn't that simple.

The gag reflex is not triggered only after one universal depth is reached. There is no single fixed sequence in which the penis must first pass some precise anatomical checkpoint before the structures responsible for gagging can be stimulated.

The gag reflex can be triggered by stimulation of several sensitive areas in the posterior oral cavity and pharynx, including the back of the tongue, soft palate, tonsillar region, and pharyngeal wall. People also vary enormously in gag sensitivity. One performer can gag relatively early, while another can tolerate substantially deeper penetration with very little visible reaction.

The geometry changes with position too. Head extension, neck flexion, jaw opening, tongue position, and angle of entry can all affect how the oral cavity and pharynx line up. Penis curvature matters as well. One penis may curve upward, another downward, another laterally. So the same position is not going to create exactly the same internal path for every actor and actress.

This is also why I don't agree with using a visible throat bulge as required proof of deep penetration.

I've personally watched JAV scenes in essentially the same position where there was a huge, obvious external bulge in the neck; other scenes where the bulge was barely visible; and still others where I could see essentially no bulge at all.

So for me this isn't merely a theoretical anatomical objection. I've visually confirmed how inconsistent that external sign can be.

A visible bulge can absolutely be useful supporting evidence when it's present. I love seeing it myself. But the absence of a visible bulge does not prove that penetration was shallow.

How visible it becomes can vary because of individual neck anatomy, soft-tissue thickness, muscular tension, head angle, the precise location of internal pressure, penis diameter and curvature, lighting, camera angle, and how that particular person's skin and deeper structures move.

So if your position is:

“I personally prefer scenes where I can clearly see the throat bulging because that gives me the visual confirmation I want.”

That's completely fair. That's a preference, and actually one I share.

But that's different from saying:

“There is no deep throat because I cannot see a bulge.”

Those are two different claims.

You seem to have a very specific visual standard: you want the penetration filmed from an angle where the neck and throat are clearly visible, preferably with obvious external movement.

That's perfectly coherent as a preference.

I'm just not convinced that your preferred visual standard should become the anatomical definition of whether deep throat occurred.

And I definitely don't think the absence of a visible neck bulge settles the issue, because I've personally seen too many comparable JAV scenes where the bulge varies from dramatic, to subtle, to essentially nonexistent despite very similar positioning.

Don't get me wrong. I love your preference for a visible bulge. I love that shit.

If I had to choose, though, my favorite setup is probably the woman on her knees looking upward while the guy is standing.

Part of the appeal is purely visual. From a side camera angle, you can potentially see the throat bulge. I admit it's not the absolute best camera angle for the bulge, but it's more of a package deal.

But part of it is also the implications of the position in my own head. A guy with both hands on her shoulders, controlling the positioning, has a particular visual dynamic that works for me.

It's also extremely congruent with a blowbang setup. She can simply turn her head left, right, and so forth without radically changing her body position.

And aesthetically, the drool usually falls downward from the chin instead of running back across the face. That's another reason I prefer it over some upside-down positions. Once the drool gets excessive in those positions, sometimes it temporarily compromises the actress's appearance for me.

Although if we're talking about a monster throat bulge, I'll tolerate the drool. lol

And don't get me wrong: a woman on her back with a gigantic visible bulge can absolutely become the priority if the scene is good enough.

Maybe convince me.

Throw me a few title suggestions featuring that type of scene. Maybe you'll show me something so ridiculous that I'll end up treasuring the supine monster-bulge position more than my traditional side-view bulge plus all the mental implications that come with the kneeling position.

EDIT: Oh wait, you threw in a couple of titles. I'll check it out.
 
I'm not sure what “the understanding” refers to. If you know her previous stage name, or have a source showing that she's an AV veteran performing under a new name, I'd genuinely like to know.

1. If I recall correctly, it was posted on the Japanese forum and/or another other Japanese site. I have no desire to look for the post, I might be mistaken, but let's set that aside, it's the least relevant part in this message (and it going to be a long one)
All I can say is that it’s irrelevant to me whether the actress is new or experienced. There is an expectation that who participating in a film of this genre should train/practice beforehand with toys to ensure they can deliver the performance required during the shoot.
Because afterwards, many average movies are created that don’t look like "deep throat", but rather like "mouth fuck", the distinctions in the sections below.
According again to my way of "thoughts" only.




Where I disagree is when you turn some otherwise reasonable observations into a rigid anatomical rule.

The geometry changes with position too. Head extension, neck flexion, jaw opening, tongue position, and angle of entry can all affect how the oral cavity and pharynx line up. Penis curvature matters as well. One penis may curve upward, another downward, another laterally. So the same position is not going to create exactly the same internal path for every actor and actress.


2. I completely agree with what you wrote. Due to my aversion to verbosity in my previous message, I didn’t want to overload with words. Everything you wrote regarding anatomy is completely correct, including the angles, positions, lining-up and the penis curvature.

But, when I speak about the genre and what distinguishes it from other oral acts, it is the depth of penetration, and for depth, a large penis is needed. Exactly like how people measure heights or measure the distance between two points, depth is what matters, and that is what distinguishes it from other oral acts.
Ultimately, a small or average penis that fits entirely within the mouth/cavity/name-it doesn't make it a "deep throat" but maybe "mouth fuck".
The gag reflex can be triggered by stimulation of several sensitive areas in the posterior oral cavity and pharynx, including the back of the tongue, soft palate, tonsillar region, and pharyngeal wall. People also vary enormously in gag sensitivity. One performer can gag relatively early, while another can tolerate substantially deeper penetration with very little visible reaction.


3. I agree here as well. I’ll try to be more precise, though that doesn’t guarantee correctness. The back of the mouth, where the throat begins, isn’t considered "deep throat" to me. Many men thrust into the back of the mouth and hit this area. This part is supposedly called the 'isthmus of the fauces'.

Since the back of the mouth is essentially where the throat starts, describing it as 'deep throat' isn’t accurate; it’s perhaps 'deep mouth' is more fitting. You’re right that there’s no single defined starting point, which makes precise definition difficult. However, I’ll define it this way: deep throat is the point where the penis blocks airflow and descends from the pharynx into the esophagus.
This is going to be incredibly ridiculous. I’m even laughing for doing it, because perhaps the best approach is simply to draw directly onto an existing image to illustrate the point.


Men can feel the throat (deep throat) when you are 'there', it envelopes the penis, creating a squeezing, compression sensation. once reached during deep penetration, men immediately recognize that. But perhaps the images help illustrate this, Visually, at least, that is roughly the regional breakdown from an external perspective.

I also used the screenshot shows a standing position, which also features a bulge. This is possible with a large penis and a suitable curvature.
Which I spoke about in the previous message.


“There is no deep throat because I cannot see a bulge.”

Those are two different claims.

You seem to have a very specific visual standard: you want the penetration filmed from an angle where the neck and throat are clearly visible, preferably with obvious external movement.

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And I definitely don't think the absence of a visible neck bulge settles the issue, because I've personally seen too many comparable JAV scenes where the bulge varies from dramatic, to subtle, to essentially nonexistent despite very similar positioning.

4. I agree with you here as well. It’s possible there won’t be a bulge (i.e., the penis isn’t visibly bulging out, and its movement inside the throat isn’t apparent from the outside, yet it’s still "deep throat" because large penis, full depth, etc). This really depends on the points made in the previous sections (the anatomically). You’re also right that these are different claims, and it comes down to personal preference.

In fact, this is effect "easy" occur if the throat is bent too and not aligned straight, but rather forms a concave shape.
My personal preferance the throat to be straight, not over-extended avoiding skin folds on the back of the neck (nape) caused by excessive neck flexion.
And then, it’s not certain we’ll see a bulge, but that is how the throat appears in all its erotic beauty.
So I don't always look for the "bulge," although it is a personal preference, as I've already said.

And aesthetically, the drool usually falls downward from the chin instead of running back across the face. That's another reason I prefer it over some upside-down positions. Once the drool gets excessive in those positions, sometimes it temporarily compromises the actress's appearance for me.


5. This message become too long.
Actually, it’s the opposite with me: I love seeing the drool falls downward on the face and smeared across it.
I’d like to see more scenes of the penis being rubbed on the face & collarbones after it pull out from the throat while catching breath.

Also, I don't like "blow-bang" scenes (multi-actors) I prefer watching one-on-one relations between actor & actress,
If it up to me, I prefer making three 15-minute solo scenes, one for each actor, over one long 45-minute scene featuring all three of them.
 
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Ultimately, a small or average penis that fits entirely within the mouth/cavity/name-it doesn't make it a "deep throat" but maybe "mouth fuck".
True.

But not relevant to IPZZ-957. Because it was penetration all the way to the base from two big dudes, from multiple positions, including your favorite. The camera angles were definitely not ideal, but it was good enough to confirm that it was absolutely all the way to the base from multiple positions, including your favorite.

I normally would assume that you've switched to a different topic, unrelated to IPZZ-957.

However, you did bring it up twice now. The first time you brought it up was when directly responding to my topic of IPZZ-957.

So unless I'm missing something, I'm going to assume you're making a point that's unrelated to IPZZ-957.

Other scenes within IPZZ-957 that include a smaller penis does not justify your statement of:

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Plenty of pics I posted earlier that says otherwise.

I'm pressed for time and might address other points at a different time.

You can accurately say it's partially a mouth fuck.

Hell, you can even say the majority of it is.

But you can't accurately say it's a 100% no deep throating mouth fuck.

That would be objectively, empirically incorrect.

I do admit that you've made great points. But I had to say this, because you've made this statement twice now, within the topic of IPZZ-957
 
I normally would assume that you've switched to a different topic, unrelated to IPZZ-957.

However, you did bring it up twice now. The first time you brought it up was when directly responding to my topic of IPZZ-957.
So unless I'm missing something, I'm going to assume you're making a point that's unrelated to IPZZ-957.


1. Message #1,688 was focused primarily on the film IPZZ-957.
However, at section 7 I expanded the discussion to more general (cinematographic) choices, specifically optimal angles and positions.

And message #1,691
branched off from the discussion about IPZZ-957.
Since your message (#1,690) was discussing in a more general rather than the specific film, so we naturally moved the discussion away from that specific film.

Back to this:
Other scenes within IPZZ-957 that include a smaller penis does not justify your statement of:

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Plenty of pics I posted earlier that says otherwise.
You can accurately say it's partially a mouth fuck.
Hell, you can even say the majority of it is.
But you can't accurately say it's a 100% no deep throating mouth fuck.
That would be objectively, empirically incorrect.
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Because it was penetration all the way to the base from two big dude

2. As I wrote earlier.

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I personally don’t see a deep throat in that scene, unless the moment lasting about 5 seconds with the actor Yusuke, while she was lying on her back counts.
However, different people have different opinions and perspectives, and that’s perfectly fine if some see it as containing, either partially or predominantly, a 'mouth fuck,' or if others perceive that there is a 'deep throat.'

By the way, If you look at other films, his cock was larger & longer.
If you remember, this ties in with previous posts about we discussed about "semi-erection" (i.e: #1,653).

4. Additionally, if I may, while my opinion is inherently subjective, I did compliment the film. Ironically, despite not being tagged as a 'deep throat' movie, there are movies that being tagged "deep throat" which are worse than that and contains even least oral action of any kind and depth.
Also, I wouldn't describe the term 'mouth fuck' as disrespect, it is what is it, I'm sure you don't see it that way either.
This film has an nice atmosphere. I loved the hospital set design, In my previous messages, I said, I prefer natural daily spaces over a studio.

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