How much do you like Yua Mikami?
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it's always been her dream, i can't fault anyone for ever wanting to live there dream even though it's likely to fail or not, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take, this is likely her last chance of being anything other then an ex-idol turned AV star
Holy cow, they went and make some photos and CDs! Still waiting to hear their songs.
Who are the other girls, they don't look like spring chickens... OH HO HO... They are AV idols too. 三上悠亜、松田美子、桜もこ and with J-pop credential too. This is SWEET.
Yua Mikami from SKE48, Miko Matsuda from NMB48, Moko Sakura from Bakusute Sotokanda Icchome (バクステ外神田一丁目)
No matter how well (or how disastrous) HONEY POPCORN turns out, I am going to support their AV. Actually I was already (slightly) paying attention to Miko Matsuda, who almost exactly duplicated Yua Mikami's path, (xxx48 -> Muteki -> S1) Miko's figure is not quite the caliber of Yua, but the sweet girl next door face and overall package is fappalious enough.
The surprise to me was Moko Sakura... she's an J-pop girl group idol who debuted only 3 months ago, and I (we?) completely missed it. Went from Muteki to Kawaii.
And.... HOOO... seems it's been under our nose all these time:
Miko and Moko dance cover(s)
Trio's photoshoot came out at least as early as December of 2017. (same time as Moko's debut)
My cock is too rock hard to think and type, talk amongst yourselves.
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Quick follow-up, there are at least 4 different versions of Robo Kiss dance cover, starring the same(?) two girls with the same moves but in different costumes and settings. Gets annoying real fast.
Is Honey Popcorn going to be a dance cover group? No life singing? Not even studio recording? Only dance cover? I've only heard of dance cover yesterday, and now it's a group thing? At least that eliminate the question if they were going to sing in Japanese or Korean. I just can't believe all three of them are fluent in Korean enough to sing for profit. But then why debut in Korea and have exactly 50% of their 4 tweets in Korean. Sorry guess I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's wait for the three of them in a youtube vid together...
Is Honey Popcorn going to be a dance cover group? No life singing? Not even studio recording? Only dance cover? I've only heard of dance cover yesterday, and now it's a group thing? At least that eliminate the question if they were going to sing in Japanese or Korean. I just can't believe all three of them are fluent in Korean enough to sing for profit. But then why debut in Korea and have exactly 50% of their 4 tweets in Korean. Sorry guess I'm getting ahead of myself. Let's wait for the three of them in a youtube vid together...
Honey Popcorn is probably a compact spiritual successor to Ebisu Muscat but with more credential and less ego between the members. I forsee it will also be managed in a similar fashion as well.
The debut tickets will be on sale tomorrow and it will be imteresting to see how it will be received by the Koreans as the general view is that they are kind of anti Japanese and porn is technically illegal there unlike Taiwan.
But looking at the example of Momonogi Kana's recent apperance there, the Koreans are all talks with the tickets sales selling rate of 70% clearance.
The debut tickets will be on sale tomorrow and it will be imteresting to see how it will be received by the Koreans as the general view is that they are kind of anti Japanese and porn is technically illegal there unlike Taiwan.
But looking at the example of Momonogi Kana's recent apperance there, the Koreans are all talks with the tickets sales selling rate of 70% clearance.
As I understand, Ebusu Muscat (EM) is a marketing gimmick of, for and by the JAV industry. It's to milk some more money from existing AV customer base, not to expand the revenue base to J-pop fans who aren't AV customers already.
So according to your interpretation, we can safely dismiss Honey Popcorn (HP) as gimmick. We have been having a little gentle debate about Yua (and previously Shoko ) is developing a mainstream celeb career that's better (morally superior) than porn.
But if HP is the elite version of EM, than we shouldn't expect (fear?) Yua, Miko and Moko to "graduate" from AV any time soon. We still haven't heard of any idol graduating from AV due to success in EM.
But I am not ready to make the HP = elite-EM equation yet. The whole J-girl-group-graduates-turned-AV-idols-sidejob-J-pop-dance-cover-group-debut-in-Korea thing is just too mind blowing brain frying for me to process for now. I honestly don't know what to think of them yet.
But if I were in Korea, I would definitely attend the showcase with a copy of Miko's newest vid for her to sign
Gang r*** Degradation Unbanned
And where's the kickstarter for Horny POpcoRN (Ecchi-PORN?) to make a group sex AV? Miko and Yua are already with the same studio, and kawaii isn't really a stranger with S1 either. There's no hope in hell for EM to make an AV but 3 girls should be easier to control.
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"Honey Popcorn Kpop" is already a trend on google. Porn do make the internet. Search for it to see all the burn from serious Kpop fans.
I take issue with the group being a serious outting with it consisting of 2nd rate talent and 2/3 of it are relatively new recruits at porn with not much of a foundation. Though there's an old chinese saying goes "Three unskilled cobblers are superior to one Zhuge liang".....
Anyway, it will seems those girls have the right to give the finger to their old group now, especially Mikami.
"Honey Popcorn Kpop" is already a trend on google. Porn do make the internet. Search for it to see all the burn from serious Kpop fans.
I take issue with the group being a serious outting with it consisting of 2nd rate talent and 2/3 of it are relatively new recruits at porn with not much of a foundation. Though there's an old chinese saying goes "Three unskilled cobblers are superior to one Zhuge liang".....
Anyway, it will seems those girls have the right to give the finger to their old group now, especially Mikami.
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hahahahahahahahahahahaha no they won't, maybe Moko because her group was irrelevant, but yua if she didn't have all her scandals she still would've probably be in the 48 universe
But she did get kicked out because she went out of line. And she is technically the leader of her own group because she is the "naughtiest" of the trio now.
No one is considering the entire outfit as a serious outing here. At least not me.
doesn't mean she has the right to give the finger to her old group, she fucked up 3 times and got kicked out, I doubt they care or think any of this will affect them, and she can't give the finger to them because without them she surely wouldn't be as popular in JAV as she is now, she kind of owes them everything with where she is now
So I was waiting for someone knowledgeable to comment on Moko's group. So... we can establish:
SKE48 > NMB48 > Bakusute Sotokanda Icchome
right? And Miko's time and status within NMB48 was also shorter and lower than Yua within SKE48, so if Yua was a minnow, Miko was a shrimp. What about Moko? Scandals?
So do we have the following pecking order?
Yua >> Miko >>? Moko
I know you are a supporter of girl groups, but hope you don't mind my opinionated opinions. Do correct me if I'm wrong. In my head, girl groups (or whatever you call the likes of 48 universe, I guess any group with more than 6 members, matching costumes, usually perform live, ...) are a whole rank lower than regular J-/K-pop group (3-5 members with distinguishable costumes and hairstyles, sometimes distinguishable roles). The top groups gets a lot of exposure and make a lot of money for the producer. But for the girls a career in girl group is neither here nor there. The chance to graduate to a bigger brighter celeb status is small. As far as I can tell (without looking very hard) not a single graduate from Bakusute Sotokanda Icchome have achieved any fame, other than making AV. 48universe is obviously more meaningful, e.g. Atsuko Maeda and Tomomi Itano developed legit careers after AKB48. But it seems there are comparable number of graduates went to nude gravue and AV.
My point is... a short unremarkable stint in bottom half of 48 universe and regional girl groups is technically celeb credential. But equivalent in the West would be perhaps a second week dropout of a minor reality TV show. Mostly forgettable. Which is perhaps how Moko Sakura got on the celeb AV stage for months before I (and a lot of Akiba members too, I guess) noticed.
Ohh one more nugget to share. Since it wasn't obvious to me...
Yua's debut vid was called Peach, refers to her AKB stage name Momo
Miko's debut vid NumBer01, refers to her NMB48 backstory
Moko's debut vid Fuck Stage, refers to her old group name Back Stage (バクステ) (外神田一丁目 is a historic name for (or near?) Akihabara) change バ to フ, you would get Fuck Stage out of バクステ(?)
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In case I wasn't clear, I'm asking for an detailed account of her thrice fucking up.
Oops my bad, I misread the post and thought Moko had some scandal backstory. It was only Yua all along.
BTW... I scanned SSNI-123 with Miko Matsuda. Normally I am no fan of degradation and/or r*** AV. But this one is pretty awesome. Miko plays a J-pop idol with plaid skirt costume and everything (what a surprise eh), she is sexually exploited (in simple English: r***ing) by everyone especially her manager/agent. There's a lot of talk/vocal acting, and even some male-on-male violence (so dramatic!). For S1, this is very very un-vanilla. I guess Miko's figure being so un-impressive (especially B-cup tits) but S1 doesn't want to drop her.
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"Not forgetting one's root" I know. But it's like the unforgiving parent who did the basic necessity of clothing, feeding and educating the child but is intolerant and treat him harshly. So the child gets kick out of the housr without much support apart from a name and he strike it out on his own. A matter of view really.
Caught drinking while underage. Caught badmouthing fans on the net. Caught dating and smooching a fellow celebrity.
Pecking order is SKE48>>NBM48>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bakusute Sotokanda Icchome
I don't think Moko had any scandals, she was one of the most known members early on, so she was just offered a bit of money by Hokuto/Muteki and joined in, she's a bit older(turns 27 next month) so was probably just worth a shot.
pecking order though is probably
Yua>>>>>>>>>>>>>Moko>Miko
It depends on the fame level of said group how far members go in fame, like the 48 universe they've many girls that are doing things consistently in the mainstream, like you can probably find like 60-70 girls from all the groups combined still somewhere in the mainstream(tv, photobooks, gravure, music, radio), but only a few are super famous. Smaller girl groups fame level also decides how far members go, but if you have talent and exposure you have a good chance of going far, but for a long time in Japan Morning Musume and Akb48 where the top dogs, while in Korea Super Junior(11 members) and SNSD(9) where also the top dogs(one of them is not anymore while the other is debatable).
The issue with Bakusute Sotokanda Icchome(and that universe) is that they aren't(weren't) very famous, and where there main feature was having a lot of members, it's hard to get anyone famous out of a non famous, large group. AKB at least started small, and as they got bigger and bigger they kept adding and growing.
I think a short stint in the bottom of the akb/ske part of the universe you have a good chance to get some level of fame if you have talent, or something unique about you, then you have a chance.
smooching that celebrity while drunk, and caught smooching another guy(maybe boyfriend)
Ohh I missed the Moko > Miko part first time I read it. So top dog in a nothing group is better than a back row girl in NMB48. Gotcha.
Also from the first pix I saw of Moko, I didn't know she's old.
Thank you for your insights in the girl group universes. Allow me one more question:
Take a typical AKB48 member, how long is her career? How much would she make during this time? My impression is that it's kinda daily grind that wouldn't be attractive to a girl with real talents. It might be legit as a launch pad, but if a real talent spend her prime years (19-24) in that universe, half of her candle is already burned and she wouldn't have that much to show for it (fan base in the range of what? under 10,000? )
I think a mid-ranking contract girl with a major studio (S1, Prestige, Moodyz, Oppai, kawaii) would have a much more impressive income than an average member of AKB/SKE (forget the bottom like NMB)
This gets at the question if Yua's graduation was her "messing up" or "fucking up".
Mikami already answered all such questions back on a late night interview session on TV back in late 2016 :-
http://sho12.com/geinou/mimami-gyara
Her salary back at SKE was akin to an office worker her age according to her.
And they were no doubt hinting at her to quit after the series of scandal were published over paparazzi press. Efforts such as telling her to go to the edge during group photography session and not assigning jobs to her. Typical Japanese way of telling a person to quit on his own accord so as not to put blame on the organisation. You fucked up so just commit seppuku.
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Right... Next question is SKE members get a lot of free time? If they are expected "at the office" for 30+ hours each week, then SKE life is arguably worse than average OL.
Life as SKE
Pros
Fame (to thousands of SKE fans)
Upward mobility (if you are talented)
Cons
same income as nameless OL
not less work hours than OL
less upward mobility than OL (talented OL can also get promoted)
work on weekends
less stability (forced gradation at what age? 29?)
no chance to find a husband (dating is banned)
OL can get drunk after work
So I wonder if we should follow SKE's official line that her graduation as a "failure" on her part. Put it this way if I had a daughter I would absolutely ban her from joining AKB/SKE etc. If she's talented, join a legit J-pop outfit. If she can't make in "real" J-pop, go work for McDonalds or OL and either find a real career or find a husband (or both). Ok maybe I would let her join SKE for a short time, say 6 months. When 6 months is up, either graduate to real J-pop or find a real job, or maybe marry the richest (and faithful) male fan. OK maybe to improve the odds for bigger brighter stardom, instead of a quiet graduation (quitting), generate some headlines and infamy with something, smooch a celeb, a scandal... well would really prefer a positive, glam headline, but a scandal with some hot boy idol (not rich old creep) is ok too.
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How I see mega group such as this is that everybody is exposed to the same training and draw the same wage. But the more popular ones draws bonuses from events, apperances and recordings. So the incentive to be able to make yourself stand out. How does a girl do that is up to her. Of course there is the cheap and easy way....
And yes, mega group can be consider as a boot camp to the entertainment world. If the girl is able to tolerate the training, the internal politics and get herself noticed, she can cut it.
How I see mega group such as this is that everybody is exposed to the same training and draw the same wage. But the more popular ones draws bonuses from events, apperances and recordings. So the incentive to be able to make yourself stand out. How does a girl do that is up to her. Of course there is the cheap and easy way....
And yes, mega group can be consider as a boot camp to the entertainment world. If the girl is able to tolerate the training, the internal politics and get herself noticed, she can cut it.
Quick review of KAWD-871 電撃移籍 kawaii*専属デビュ→ 外神田の人気No.1アイドル 桜もこエロス覚醒3本番
Moko Sakura's debut at kawaii* (after her debut at Muteki) As expected, the cover really push her celeb cred as "Sotokanda's no.1 popular idol". I am ready, hook line and sinker. (well her look in the dance cover youtube vid was rather underwhelming, but I have the hots for singing&dancing AV idols). Arggg... my enthusiasm started cooling even before the intro music and credits is done. kawaii approach the vid exactly the same way as EVERY SINGLE "debut" vid at kawaii (and S1 (and maybe E-body too) too, for that matter). Moko doesn't put on any J-pop costume, sing or dance. Her (or blame the production) fashion sense is completely unsophisticated. I mean fine if she doesn't want to over-exploit her old idol group (like doing 3P in Sotokand's most recognizable costume) but at least show off a girl with talent and glam. Blah ... her choice of dress would rank in the bottom if she walks around in trendy Shibuya.
Also we reconfirm her face is below average for kawaii. And her tits are unimpressive, which is a not really a problem, there is plenty of room for sub-C-cup tits in AV. But her butt is a major disappointment.
Does that butt look like a champ to you?? For a 27 year old MILF, that butt would be fine, but a J-pop idol, whose thang is dance cover? And the gesture... stretching lazily, not dynamic, energetic.
And we are at only the 1 minute mark of the vid!!
Long story short... take away her celeb cred, I really doubt she would get solo vids with any major studios. Nothing about her is impressive. If she had not wasted her years at Bakusute Sotokanda Icchome and entered AV at 21 or 22, maybe... But now... idol cred can definitely support her for one or two more AV but she needs something more to survive. Perhaps scene 3 gives a hint:
(well first thing is knee socks and plaid short skirt and somewhat cute outfit, but trust me this is the exception, all the other outfit in the vid is garbage)
Close up shot of anus is a little uncommon for a second debut vid, and then tongue-sodomized. Doesn't count as anal (it's too brief anyway) but that suggest a viable path for Moko. That butt that's too fat and loose for an idol is meaty and yummy for anal sex. If Moko learn to let loose (literally) she may be able to establish a niche place in JAV. Otherwise, I won't be surprised if she completely disappear from both J/K-pop and JAV before end of this year.
Which makes the Honey Popcorn thing look a bit wobbly. Yua Mikami give me the impression she doesn't work well with teammates who are clearly above her or below her in talents and status. It would be interesting question if H-Pop is a one-off cash grab or can stick together for at least 3 months.
Moko Sakura's debut at kawaii* (after her debut at Muteki) As expected, the cover really push her celeb cred as "Sotokanda's no.1 popular idol". I am ready, hook line and sinker. (well her look in the dance cover youtube vid was rather underwhelming, but I have the hots for singing&dancing AV idols). Arggg... my enthusiasm started cooling even before the intro music and credits is done. kawaii approach the vid exactly the same way as EVERY SINGLE "debut" vid at kawaii (and S1 (and maybe E-body too) too, for that matter). Moko doesn't put on any J-pop costume, sing or dance. Her (or blame the production) fashion sense is completely unsophisticated. I mean fine if she doesn't want to over-exploit her old idol group (like doing 3P in Sotokand's most recognizable costume) but at least show off a girl with talent and glam. Blah ... her choice of dress would rank in the bottom if she walks around in trendy Shibuya.
Also we reconfirm her face is below average for kawaii. And her tits are unimpressive, which is a not really a problem, there is plenty of room for sub-C-cup tits in AV. But her butt is a major disappointment.
Does that butt look like a champ to you?? For a 27 year old MILF, that butt would be fine, but a J-pop idol, whose thang is dance cover? And the gesture... stretching lazily, not dynamic, energetic.
And we are at only the 1 minute mark of the vid!!
Long story short... take away her celeb cred, I really doubt she would get solo vids with any major studios. Nothing about her is impressive. If she had not wasted her years at Bakusute Sotokanda Icchome and entered AV at 21 or 22, maybe... But now... idol cred can definitely support her for one or two more AV but she needs something more to survive. Perhaps scene 3 gives a hint:
(well first thing is knee socks and plaid short skirt and somewhat cute outfit, but trust me this is the exception, all the other outfit in the vid is garbage)
Close up shot of anus is a little uncommon for a second debut vid, and then tongue-sodomized. Doesn't count as anal (it's too brief anyway) but that suggest a viable path for Moko. That butt that's too fat and loose for an idol is meaty and yummy for anal sex. If Moko learn to let loose (literally) she may be able to establish a niche place in JAV. Otherwise, I won't be surprised if she completely disappear from both J/K-pop and JAV before end of this year.
Which makes the Honey Popcorn thing look a bit wobbly. Yua Mikami give me the impression she doesn't work well with teammates who are clearly above her or below her in talents and status. It would be interesting question if H-Pop is a one-off cash grab or can stick together for at least 3 months.
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Well... I don't mean to say Moko's only chance to survive is open her butt hole for a stud parade. But I'm really disappointed with her being treated like every other newbie AV debut, meaning near ZERO reference of J-pop. (ok that knee-socks short skirt was OK, but it's too little)
SSNI-123 had it right (my earlier post). The whole story is sexploitation of J-pop idol. If Moko can't or doesn't build up a J-pop persona in JAV, nor does she have special skills like anal or bukkake, then base on her uncompetitive looks, she won't survive in JAV for 6 months.
BTW, one positive thing to say about KAWD-871 is that the studs made some excellent cumshots on her face.
Well... I don't mean to say Moko's only chance to survive is open her butt hole for a stud parade. But I'm really disappointed with her being treated like every other newbie AV debut, meaning near ZERO reference of J-pop. (ok that knee-socks short skirt was OK, but it's too little)
SSNI-123 had it right (my earlier post). The whole story is sexploitation of J-pop idol. If Moko can't or doesn't build up a J-pop persona in JAV, nor does she have special skills like anal or bukkake, then base on her uncompetitive looks, she won't survive in JAV for 6 months.
BTW, one positive thing to say about KAWD-871 is that the studs made some excellent cumshots on her face.