Discussion about DMM website

[R18.com]

My $10K figure came from a friend who directs for MOODYZ among other makers.

Your breakdown is accurate for super high end productions such as for the studios DMM/CA owns. I don't recall hearing a separate fee for the b̶a̶b̶y̶s̶i̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ manager. I believe studios simply pay the agency who then pays the model her share (which isn't as good as forum members here think). A different director who has been directing AV for almost 30 years now told me pay is super secret. They pay the agency who then pays the model her share. One of the cardinal rules of the AV set when there are multiple actresses is never to talk about pay with each other. Even if a title starred two famous names like Hibiki Otsuki and Yui Hatano, it's not safe to assume they were paid the same. Even if they were, their actual payout from the agency(s) may be different.

Things such as on-hand staff go down way quickly once you move to independent studios. Since they don't have their own big marketplaces to sell to, cuts must be made. One studio I know who shall remain nameless laughed when I asked if they usually spend $10K (a million yen) on titles. He said it's a fraction of that and this is for a pretty bit indies studio that pumps out 8-12 titles a month.

For your non-DMM/SOD studios, you may have:

Paid for the shoot staff:
1 director
1 AD
1 or 2 cameraman and possibly a photographer
Possibly a guy in charge of sounds and/or lights
Actors/Actresses

Production staff from the studio may be present, but those guys are on salary so they're being paid no matter what.
Studio rental is not cheap, but $5000 is Hanazono Room w/ Pool pricing and you should know better.
Editing will be done by someone in the company on salary. This may be the same person who was on the set as the production staff if it's a tiny company.
Mosaic will also probably done by the studio itself again by a salaried staff. $1200 for a 2 hour movie is an insane quote. If it's a 2 hour orgy and you want pin-point accuracy then maybe. I've another friend who does mosaic and he charges a quarter of that for a 2 hour movie and his quality is fantastic.

Look, I'm sure some mosaic productions can go over a million and I know DMM and SOD have competitive advantages that allow them to go all out with larger budgets and staff. I just think those on this board should know that their very numerous smaller competitors have much tighter budgets and spending a million+ per title for most AV studios is rare. The industry is sucking right now if you're not at the top and many of these guys are in serious financial straits at the moment due to friendly internet fans.

Anyway, disagreements are great! It keeps the board active full of good AV news and info rather than 'sharing'. Everyone please go to R18 or any other non-file locker sites and support your favorite studio.

First, Thank you for the support!

A couple of things:

1- MOODYZ is part of DMM group companies.
2- Yes, b̶a̶b̶y̶s̶i̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ managers are a must. I do travel with them all the time. Actresses are never alone like in overseas. (If you come to Macau or Las vegas I can introduce you to all the girls manager that will come to the events )
3- If the girl are some of the big names as your talked here, this girls (well, the agent itself) may cost already +1M JPY.
4- DMM is not a studio. It is just an ecomerce company. SOD is an studio. DMM does rev share for with the studios for the movies we sell.
5- Production staff even if they are salary staff from the production company you still need to pay them at the end of the month, so it is a cost.
6- Most studios do not have their own staff to add mosaic. even if they do, you still needs to pay their salary at the end of the month. You need to go frame by frame to add mosaic to a 2h movie, review and make sure you are not missing any place with genitalia so it is really time consuming.

 

[Inertia]

1. See 4.
2. Yea, managers also seem to act as a combination of babysitter and psychologist for these women. The incestuous relationship of AV companies like studios, agencies, ethics groups, and more can be a book onto itself. It's not all good, but it's also not all bad! Some of these girls don't have the brains and drive to do it all on their own and that's just the tip of the iceberg. I'm in Japan kind of near you guys so I'll pass on the Macau/Vegas invite.
3. My MOODYZ contact said a certain unnamed, but very famous actress that EVERYONE on here knows cost about 400,000 yen to shoot for a 2 hour starring title. I'm going by what he said so yes, I could be wrong and my apologies if I am.
4. I'm aware of this. I try to keep my replies a bit simplified so all the forum readers can understand. DMM/CA/Outvision/etc. does a lot more than just AV. SOD Create is the studio for SOD unless they changed things recently. They also own a bunch of studios just like DMM on top of Create though I'll eat my shoes if you don't know that already.
5. True, but the pay is not very good (read: abysmal) for pretty much any salaried employee in Japan and you can't deny that. The pay at AV companies isn't much better than average so the cost to pay out employees for being on set, putting in mosaic, etc. is negligible.
6. Kind of true, but smaller studios will go out of their way to film scenes in ways that mosaic application isn't even necessary. A 2 hour movie may end up only having 30 minutes of material that needs mosaic this way. Larger companies like DMM (yes, the studios you own but for the sake of simplicity...) can go all out with huge orgy titles, but smaller companies can't afford that so they need to think differently.

I want R18 to be a good place for people to legally download their favorite AV. Anyone's reading can't deny that new titles may be pricey, but everything older than like 3-6 months is a really good deal. From the user's perspective, DRM aside, there isn't much in the minus column.

Sorry if I come off as brusque sometimes in my replies.

 

[Masakarimasen]

My $10K figure came from a friend who directs for MOODYZ among other makers.

Your breakdown is accurate for super high end productions such as for the studios DMM/CA owns. I don't recall hearing a separate fee for the b̶a̶b̶y̶s̶i̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ manager. I believe studios simply pay the agency who then pays the model her share (which isn't as good as forum members here think). A different director who has been directing AV for almost 30 years now told me pay is super secret. They pay the agency who then pays the model her share. One of the cardinal rules of the AV set when there are multiple actresses is never to talk about pay with each other. Even if a title starred two famous names like Hibiki Otsuki and Yui Hatano, it's not safe to assume they were paid the same. Even if they were, their actual payout from the agency(s) may be different.

Things such as on-hand staff go down way quickly once you move to independent studios. Since they don't have their own big marketplaces to sell to, cuts must be made. One studio I know who shall remain nameless laughed when I asked if they usually spend $10K (a million yen) on titles. He said it's a fraction of that and this is for a pretty bit indies studio that pumps out 8-12 titles a month.

For your non-DMM/SOD studios, you may have:

Paid for the shoot staff:
1 director
1 AD
1 or 2 cameraman and possibly a photographer
Possibly a guy in charge of sounds and/or lights
Actors/Actresses

Production staff from the studio may be present, but those guys are on salary so they're being paid no matter what.
Studio rental is not cheap, but $5000 is Hanazono Room w/ Pool pricing and you should know better.
Editing will be done by someone in the company on salary. This may be the same person who was on the set as the production staff if it's a tiny company.
Mosaic will also probably done by the studio itself again by a salaried staff. $1200 for a 2 hour movie is an insane quote. If it's a 2 hour orgy and you want pin-point accuracy then maybe. I've another friend who does mosaic and he charges a quarter of that for a 2 hour movie and his quality is fantastic.

Look, I'm sure some mosaic productions can go over a million and I know DMM and SOD have competitive advantages that allow them to go all out with larger budgets and staff. I just think those on this board should know that their very numerous smaller competitors have much tighter budgets and spending a million+ per title for most AV studios is rare. The industry is sucking right now if you're not at the top and many of these guys are in serious financial straits at the moment due to friendly internet fans.

Anyway, disagreements are great! It keeps the board active full of good AV news and info rather than 'sharing'. Everyone please go to R18 or any other non-file locker sites and support your favorite studio.

ive spend over $500 in a day on JAV finishing ruri saijou collection before they stopped wmp support. once they go DRM free i'll think bout it, since i'm using Kodi as i mentioned before i can not play DRM. jav was the only reason i still had wmp. i'm trying to move away from windows entirely. i'm not going to ancor myself to drm/proprietary shit just to watch PORN. its not that i'm not willing to pay they are just making it very difficult for me

 

[JonKurak]

72 of the more than 4000 that we have listed

I agree!

 

[princeali692]

I purchase jav from r18 quite regularly now. I've purchased 74 titles the past couple of months, and they even gave all the r18 members a free full length movie yesterday. I subscribe to channels too. This probably isn't normal for most people but I really care about the profitability of producing such content. As an unapologetic capitalist I understand that if something you do for a living can't pay the bills you are not going to do it. So now I always enjoy giving back. In fact, I've barely touched jav torrents in the last couple months. I don't have to worry as much about making sure my terabytes of jav are backed up or worry about a hard drive failure since many of the movies are available on r18 and they will host the movies free for you. Thanks to r18 I can reduce my external hard drive storage down if I wanted to just a couple hundred movies that can't be purchased on there right now, but the majority of those few movies can be purchased legitimately from the studios themselves.

I understand that I'm probably willing to pay more than most people but it's not like you have to buy all the jav you like at once. Just buy it as you need it. That's what I do and I'm not hemorrhaging debt. I just want to encourage others to give back a little even if its a small amount. Plus if you only let suckers like me buy it all they will only produce things suckers like me like and not what you like.

 

[Masakarimasen]

I purchase jav from r18 quite regularly now. I've purchased 74 titles the past couple of months, and they even gave all the r18 members a free full length movie yesterday. I subscribe to channels too. This probably isn't normal for most people but I really care about the profitability of producing such content. As an unapologetic capitalist I understand that if something you do for a living can't pay the bills you are not going to do it. So now I always enjoy giving back. In fact, I've barely touched jav torrents in the last couple months. I don't have to worry as much about making sure my terabytes of jav are backed up or worry about a hard drive failure since many of the movies are available on r18 and they will host the movies free for you. Thanks to r18 I can reduce my external hard drive storage down if I wanted to just a couple hundred movies that can't be purchased on there right now, but the majority of those few movies can be purchased legitimately from the studios themselves.

I understand that I'm probably willing to pay more than most people but it's not like you have to buy all the jav you like at once. Just buy it as you need it. That's what I do and I'm not hemorrhaging debt. I just want to encourage others to give back a little even if its a small amount. Plus if you only let suckers like me buy it all they will only produce things suckers like me like and not what you like.

if you want to give up freedom(not very american), but it's your choice. i urge anyone to stop buying untill they drop this DRM shyte. DRM is so old school. if DMM/R18 ever decided to delete a movie you paid for from their collection because for example: no one is buying,in short it ain't profitable anymore you lose the movie. you may not care about wasting money I do

 

[princeali692]

if you want to give up freedom(not very american), but it's your choice. i urge anyone to stop buying untill they drop this DRM shyte. DRM is so old school. if DMM/R18 ever decided to delete a movie you paid for from their collection because for example: no one is buying,in short it ain't profitable anymore you lose the movie. you may not care about wasting money I do

Woah, give up my freedom? Un-American? When you are buying something from someone that involves joining a site like r18 you are agreeing to their terms and conditions. I'm willingly entering a contract (an agreement) that says Ok you can buy this but you will need to use the R-player. I took time to look at the pros an cons of this and decided that it is in fact worth my money to do business with them. This has nothing to do with giving up freedom or by whatever convoluted definition of freedom you have. There is nothing underhanded at all in what r18 is doing despite your rhetoric. If you don't want to buy DRM content from r18 then don't. By all means that is your right, your freedom to choose not to. But just because you can't play their movies on your linux OS doesn't mean they should unDRM their content. If no-DRM was more profitable for them they wouldn't be using it.

Most of all this has absolutely NOTHING to do with freedom or being a patriot. ......Sheesh!

 

[Casshern2]

R18 will just say it again. ..they aren't behind the DRM decision, it is the publishers. Yes the publishers are part of DMM/R18, but they are their own subsidiary that can request DRM. That's just how it is. If you don't want DRM, like I dont, direct all concerns to the publishers and not the distributing company.

 

[Electromog]

You don't really buy stuff from R18, you basically just rent it. I for one am not interested in renting, I want to buy. What if an actress in a movie i like manages to get the movie pulled? What if so many people switch to free online porn that R18 goes bankrupt? What if they don't want to waste disk space on a movie almost nobody but me likes?

In any of those cases, I could still watch a DVD I bought, but you can forget about watching the stuff from their site. This may be good enough for a movie you'd only watch once anyway, but if it's one of my favorites, that I watch over and over, then I want more security. I want to own it for as long as I want it, not for as long as somebody else decides to make it available. Of course, everybody makes their own decisions here, and as long as enough people don't mind DRM will continue to exist. It's like those horrible watermarked rips on this site, as long as it's making them money they will keep on doing it. That's just how it is.

 

[princeali692]

I'm really not concerned at all with r18 going bankrupt since its owned by the biggest JAV distributor on the planet, but it's a valid argument since if it were to not exist tomorrow I wouldn't be able to validate the movies I purchased. Until that unlikely scenario happens though I will still keep purchasing from them because

1. Massive selection
   
2. It's in English
   
3. Offers rare fetish movies you cannot find online for free
   
4. Quicker than waiting for someone to rip it for me. with some chinese watermark
   
5. HD jav
6. Channel Subscriptions: You can't go wrong with those if they have your favorite studios.

I'm very compulsive so when I want something I want it now, I don't want to wait for someone to rip it with a shitty chinese watermark.

The fact it's possible to lose access forever sucks but the benefits outweigh the cons for me.

 

[Motiman]

I would like to know just how much of what I pay goes to the movie studio or publisher and how much goes to R18/DMM?

I have only purchased a small number of movies from your site and the last time I had a subscription was a few weeks ago, but I would like to start in some small way trying to influence what movies are made. Of course one person buying a movie isn't going to make much difference but it's better than nothing I suppose.

There are a few movies I want to buy and they are all from the same genre so I hope it shows there is a tiny amount more interest for it.

 

[Inertia]

Motiman: it varies studio by studio. I know the average amount % for what DMM pays out, but it's probably best not to say it since they don't advertise their rates publicly like western VOD porn sites do. Western sites are usually 20% goes to the studio if it's a PPM deal and 60-70% to the studio if it's PPV.

 

[Motiman]

I guess it's not surprising that it would vary from studio to studio. I'm sure the bigger and more popular studios would be able to arrange better deals for themselves while the smaller studios will perhaps have to give up more. It's all about balancing just how much exposure the site can do for these studios i guess.

 

[Casshern2]

Switching gears, but still on thread topic: To search for a title in the AV Digital Download section you use the digital code (or the base of it, really) so to find JUFD-430, for example, searching for jufd00430 would find that title. That doesn't seem to work in the Digital Download section for Idol titles. Anyone know how to search in there?

 

[Electromog]

I know nothing of the idol stuff, but as far as I can tell you just search for the equivalent of jufd430 without the extra zeroes.

 

[clemenceko]

I purchase jav from r18 quite regularly now. I've purchased 74 titles the past couple of months, and they even gave all the r18 members a free full length movie yesterday. I subscribe to channels too. This probably isn't normal for most people but I really care about the profitability of producing such content. As an unapologetic capitalist I understand that if something you do for a living can't pay the bills you are not going to do it. So now I always enjoy giving back. In fact, I've barely touched jav torrents in the last couple months. I don't have to worry as much about making sure my terabytes of jav are backed up or worry about a hard drive failure since many of the movies are available on r18 and they will host the movies free for you. Thanks to r18 I can reduce my external hard drive storage down if I wanted to just a couple hundred movies that can't be purchased on there right now, but the majority of those few movies can be purchased legitimately from the studios themselves.

I understand that I'm probably willing to pay more than most people but it's not like you have to buy all the jav you like at once. Just buy it as you need it. That's what I do and I'm not hemorrhaging debt. I just want to encourage others to give back a little even if its a small amount. Plus if you only let suckers like me buy it all they will only produce things suckers like me like and not what you like.

Seriously? A free movie? Is it still available to watch as I am also a R18 member just that have not log in for quite a while.

 

[princeali692]

Yes, its this one
http://www.r18.com/videos/vod/movies/detail/Straddling-Sex-Talk-Girls-Anri-Okita/id=mide00070/

MIDE-070 starring Anri Okita. It should be in your library when you sign in. I was really confused at first because I thought I had bought it on accident until I saw the advertisement.

 

[Casshern2]

Thanks, Electromog, but that doesn't seem to work for me. You tried? If so, off of what base URL?

 

[sideloaded]

..............................

https://filejoker.net/

 

[SunnyM]

Hi R18 and all
Happy New Year to all JAV lovers.
DMM.Co. jp offers a 50% discount on almost all its channel subscriptions for the New Year period but not on R18.com.

This is not really fair as it penalises all who are foreigners and who love JAV.

Sunny