Becoming A Japanese Citizen

[Kenpachi God]

that sounds like a burn lol

 

[aquamarine]

Anyway, I'm sure aquamarine wouldn't raise to such a bait (or does he simply doesn't understand?). I was kinda pissed off by the "we don't need more gaijin like him" attitude.

Well in my opinion and from what I see, we don't. We need more foreigners here as much as we need more VD's. There are so many here from countries that I won't mention (cuz I'll be called a racist by the panty-wastes on here) that are doing illegal jobs, selling illegal substances, helping illegal markets and that are not qualified what so ever to work here. Or are you going to tell me that the Nigerian who threatened to call his 'backup' on me just because I told him to fuck off when he tried to force me into his faggoty little club in Roppongi IS qualified, even though he's here illegally... yea, try again buddy (buddy as in general, this ain't aimed at anyone specific here).

I DO hate those idiots who come to japan, who cannot speak a bloody word of japanese and don't give a fuck..... what the hell is he doing in Japan? He said he came here for money, coz he could make way more than in Canada. He doesn't speak japanese.
So basically the only difference I see between him and those assholes is that he's not into the gaijin hunters...

You're welcome to bring this up. But at the same time, let's also look at other countries too. If you also choose to rag on me because I don't give a fuck about the culture and because my Japanese sucks, then let's ALSO start complaining about the Philippino and Thai folks in Canada that ONLY went there to work and had no other reason other than to make money. Let's start to bitch about the 'damn mex'cans' in the USA that can't speak English and that work in the factories. Heck, let's discuss the plethora of Indians that are in England and who moved there just to work. Who else can we rag on? You tell me.

Don't get me wrong, I hate those stupid ass white folk (mostly from the states) that come here, act like complete douche-bags because they can get away with it, and then treat the women like fuck-toys as much as you. I just don't see how we can complain about one specific group without taking a broader look. I don't like foreigners all that much here that only come here and are into the cartoons. Grow the fuck up and if you beat off, try jerking your noodle to porn of women who's eyes don't take up 3/4 of their face.

Now then, what was the original topic?

Oh yea... if it's a burn, then it's a burn. I've got tough skin and been called a lot worse than 'fat'. I'm fat. I'm chubby. I'm chunky. I've got rolls. I've got back-fat. I have a fat cock. I have a fat ass. I have man-boobs. I've got underarm fat. I have a double chin. There, now that we have that much out of the way, let's get on with the real insults, y'know, things that aren't superficial. It helps to hurt a persons feeling if the insult doesn't come from ninth grade.

So come to Japan. Come experience it. Treat the country with respect. You are a guest, you are not special. You want to become a citizen? Well I hope you can suck some major cock and somehow weasel past the red tape. I don't think you or anyone can. Until I meet a foreigner in PERSON who's become a fully fledged Japanese citizen that can vote, then I'll eat my words.

 

[Sakunyuusha]

I don't like foreigners all that much here that only come here and are into the cartoons. Grow the fuck up and if you beat off, try jerking your noodle to porn of women who's eyes don't take up 3/4 of their face.

I thought of you as I made these; or rather, I thought of the tarsier as I read your response, and in turn decided to make these especially for you. ;p Enjoy.

My thoughts, since I made 'em: I can't pick my favorite. I think the first one is probably more suited for a macro than many of its peers, but suspect that #3 ("Please, continue!") will see a lot of use outside of hentai/anime arguments and will probably be used by somebody any time he wishes to be creepy or pretend to be creepy in the middle of a sexual conversation online.

My disclaimer: I hate 4chan and chan culture, but did use the "Moar" in the first macro simply because I envisioned that macro as being best suited for a chan-like environment. Believe me, even now I long to edit that out and replace it with "more." -_-;

 

[Tacfarinas]

from what ive read japan colleges are more difficult to get into, and the social structure in the country makes it difficult for one to move from one "social rank" to the next (i.e. not as easy to get into and get financed while in college compared to US).

also, discrimination or disdain (for you) is a given.they are a proud people after all. if/when I travel there it will not be to be accepted, more to enjoy myself (and their women) without caring what they think.

I like many others plan to travel to japan, myself after graduating from university.

But becoming a CITIZEN?

Fuck that....

Bullshit, i have heard many good thing about japan, and there attitude.
apparently they have very polite. as far as becoming a citizen i can't help you there, but i am sure it won't be too much of a hassle for you to live there, citizen or not.

 

[hi_bosch]

I agree.

Visit Japan 2020 ;-) any suggestion of a ballpark budget for a 3 day visit to open a 40 year old horizon?

That's true enough. Thing is, english ain't my language and although I can't most certainly speak a better english than japanese, I'd rather speak japanese any day. But that doesn't change the fact that you're totaly right.
Anyway, I'm sure aquamarine wouldn't raise to such a bait (or does he simply doesn't understand?). I was kinda pissed off by the "we don't need more gaijin like him" attitude.
Basically I'm in total agreement with almost everything he said and I do think his replies are just hilarious (especially the "yes I NEED to be rude" ones).
I've been living and working for almost 3 years in Japan and I can speak, write and read japanese.
I DO hate those idiots who come to japan, who cannot speak a bloody word of japanese and don't give a fuck. After getting off at Narita they just go straight to roppongi's ガスパニック to get themselves one of those gaijin hunter girls... I guess that's cause they cannot get girls in their own country... because of those guys, gaijin are getting a bad rep. Exactly what aquamarine says.

Except... what the hell is he doing in Japan? He said he came here for money, coz he could make way more than in Canada. He doesn't speak japanese.
So basically the only difference I see between him and those assholes is that he's not into the gaijin hunters...

I came to Japan because I wanted to be able to speak japanese everyday (and Japan is the only place where I can) and since I was working in IT, I found a job here, in a japanese company and I got a visa. But the thing is, I know some people back home who want to speak japanese very bad, who really love the language and the culture and who cannot get good jobs and visa here. So I just cannot stand those guys who are living in japan, don't speak japanese and don't give a fuck about japan... just here to make money and get tight asian pussy, fucking idiots the whole lot of them.

I know aquamarine ain't that guy, like he said, he's just acting the jerk. Saw his pictures (great btw), and I imagine he loves japan. Plus, he's saying true things.

I guess I just couldn't resist the temptation of trying to put him back in place which was immature and pretty useless since he most obviously doesn't give a fuck.

For all people working in Japan, enjoy the end of your GW (if you have one).

 

[aquamarine]

Visit Japan 2020 ;-) any suggestion of a ballpark budget for a 3 day visit to open a 40 year old horizon?

Well that's still 11 years from now... so, no ideas, sorry buddy.

 

[bibtothemax]

Ok to answer your question, yes it is hard to become a Japanese citizen, but it is possible. The person who made the comments about relatives does not know what he is talking about. If you get married and have lived in japan for more than 5 years, are fluent in Japanese, no criminal record you can apply for Japanese citizen and, depending on if the immigrations office believe u are worthy(that's the hard part) then u can get Japanese citizen ship. The only other way u can get is if are naturalizing so u can be put up as a Japanese icon or represent japan in some other fashion, ie sports star, great doctor, owarai talent etc. Ie J.R Henderson become J.R Sakuragi and represented Japan at the 2006 FIBA world championships. Bobby Olugon, an owarai talent and comedian became a citizen because of his popularity in Japanese entertainment industry.

For UNI, if you have a degree from an overseas institution it is still credible in Japan, and entering UNI is extremely easy as u are post grad student or (daigakuinsei), therefore you do not need to take Japanese Language Proficiency Test. If u are an undergrad it is extremely difficult to enter uni in Japan as a foreigner because u must Pass the top level of the Japanese Language Proficiency Test as well as an English test. Most Japanese UNI's are happy to take on Post grads from overseas as it is seen as increasing their stature as an academic institution.

About Discrimination.. depending on the Industry you are moving into. this will determine the level of discrimination against you. For industries like English teaching at senmongakko, Juku, English schools, high schools etc there will be very little discrimination (they will more than likely choose you over a Japanese native how is a qualified English teacher) and all u need is a tertiary education and be a native english speaker to do this (for uni u must be a qualified English professor with alot of experience and/or have made 2 recognized publications in the field (requirement of MOST Japanese higher education facilities)) .
However in most other industries especial big business you will be discriminated against while searching and more than likely within the company unless it is an international company such as Nestle, Sony, etc where u are working in Japan but dealing with the international market side of the business. If you have a degree from a Japanese institution then there will be less discrimination, but still more than you would like.

If you or anyone else needs any answers or has any questions about Japanese culture, moving to Japan, working in Japan etc, please PM me and i will answer your questions

 

[Rhinosaur]

A mate of mine I went to high school with (western country) ended up doing a PhD at a university in Tokyo. He's lived there for 15 or more years now, is a citizen and even has a Japanese family name!
When I lived and worked in Japan, and even during my subsequent frequent visits, I experienced very little discrimination.

 

[Kotoba]

Look up information on "JAPANESE GOVERNMENT (MONBUKAGAKUSHO: MEXT) SCHOLARSHIP". You need to want to learn the language to get it. If you get it, you get accepted in an university in Japan and you get some money for your living expenses. It starts with one year of intensive japanese language classes. If you don't make enough progress in the language by the end of that period, they send you back to your country. I have no idea how hard it is to get selected.

If you plan on moving to another country, you need to be well prepared and it's a bit stupid/risky to decide to do it (and sell your house in your home country) before having ever set foot in the said country. I'd say it's best to live there some time to see if you like the place and not just as a tourist. Personally, I would first try to live there as a student (with a scolarship) or as a worker on contract with a big international company (I'd find the job and get the contract signed while still in my own country before moving to Japan for the job) for a while. I would be sure to get paid and I would see if I like it before deciding to find a job there or before extending the contract length. That's just me. I'm sure there are people going there while clueless about what they will do once there and they still find a job.

Oh and since everyone seems to have an opinion about aquamarine, I might as well say on which side I stand. aquamarine, I respect you and I agree with what you said. I also like your pictures of Japan, you've got skill with a camera. People that are into photography and are good in it are usually great people to talk to with some interesting life experience.

To C69 or anyone that's thinking of moving to another country than their own, I'd say, think about moving to another city or another state before thinking of moving to another country. Look up information about getting a work visa or student visa before looking up information about getting citizenship visa. That's what matters to be able to live there in the short term.

I've got two slightly off-topic questions here. Are the subway stations in Japan mainly underground or above ground? For those underground, does it get incredibly hot and humid in the summer?

 

[buttcheeks]

"A mate of mine I went to high school with (western country) ended up doing a PhD at a university in Tokyo. He's lived there for 15 or more years now, is a citizen and even has a Japanese family name!"
Yeah, they take away your name! Take it away and make you make one up with kanji. GIve ;up your name and get the right to vote. Good trade.

 

[Rhinosaur]

"A mate of mine I went to high school with (western country) ended up doing a PhD at a university in Tokyo. He's lived there for 15 or more years now, is a citizen and even has a Japanese family name!"
Yeah, they take away your name! Take it away and make you make one up with kanji. GIve ;up your name and get the right to vote. Good trade.

Umm, was his choice!

 

[aquamarine]

True, just not a very bright one to the seasoned veteran.

 

[Rhinosaur]

True, just not a very bright one to the seasoned veteran.

Huh?

 

[aroma.j]

oops

This thread is hilarious if not filled will half-truths and disinformation.

I will say this to the OP: If you want it bad enough you can live, work, love, marry, divorce, pay taxes, become a citizen and die in Japan. There is no special trick, only perseverance and a healthy appetite for abuse is required. aquamarine is correct in one sense - it may not get you what you need, want or are comfortable with.

Just to set the record straight - it's relatively easy to get Japanese citizenship. In fact, there is over a 99% success rate (average of 9 years) for people that apply http://office-yoshida.cool.ne.jp/pkup_99percent.html and the requirements are very clearly outlined on this page at the Ministry of Justice http://www.moj.go.jp/ONLINE/NATIONALITY/6-2.html. If you can't read these pages then perhaps you wouldn't be able to fill out the application form either. In any case, you would be crazy to give up your citizenship if you're from a reasonable country in Europe or the Americas.

I have friends who have become Japanese citizens and many, many, many others who have PR status. There are also several "former-foreigners" who have been elected to and hold public office.

Japan is what you make of it - or what it makes of you. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Another tip: Don't expect to get into Sento, Onsen or a gym if you have any Tattoos. You will have to find those special establishments that cater to roughnecks. Feel free to PM me for my favorite list of Super-Sento (only for people sans-Tattoo).

In closing, I vehemently agree with aqumarine on one thing: Unless you are fully committed (like the pig at breakfast) stay in your own country. We don't need anymore badly mannered foreigners here.

 

[Asvaldr]

Phew! Holy hell that took a long time to read, but it was a damn interesting heated debate. Unfortunately, it looks to be too late to add my views since they, for the most part, match up with those against you (C69) coming here. But...what the hell. I'll bite ^^

I'm also Canadian, and love and live in Japan. Sure, Japan is a great country and can be fun. It also has many conveniences, BUT it has many inconveniences as well. As most people have already said, it's difficult to get accustomed to life here (living, not just visiting) and if you don't understand the language, lifestyle and culture and most importantly the people, becoming a Japanese citizen should have no meaning for you.

You're from America? Why would you want to give up your citizenship to become Japanese? Being an American is pretty damn convenient, I think. Why not just become a Permanent Resident instead if you're that serious about moving here? It's more or less the same thing, except you get to keep your American passport (a bonus, in my humble opinion) and you still get to live here for as long as you want (assuming you don't do anything stupid like r*** or kill someone). Sure you don't get to vote or run for office, but are you that interested in Japanese politics?

Hats off to Aquamarine and the like for telling it to the boy like it is. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to make my way to the bank before they close at 3 PM (one of my bigger pet peeves about Japan) -_-v

(Sorry to reiterate just about everything everyone already said. I figured I spent an hour reading the damn thread, I might as well make some kind of input )

P.S. I forgot to make a note about the education aspect. Yes, please do graduate from an accredited university before coming to Japan. If you don't have a degree before coming here, good luck on getting anywhere in life (I suppose that goes for almost anywhere, not just Japan :XD: )

 

[aquamarine]

We don't need anymore badly mannered foreigners here.

Yea, as soon as I landed, no more were permitted in. My ego's large enough to take up the remaining spots reserved for the "real annoying rude foreign guy who shits on other peoples dreams." Good god I can't wait till they kick out all those god damn illegals over in Shibuya. Sorry sir, but I don't want to talk to you or your Nigerian home-boys after you threatened me if I didn't enter the club you are promoting... go die of aids.

But I'm not jaded... really....

Cheers.

 

[satomimi]

I was reading about an American who became a Japanese Citizen
http://www.offshorewave.com/offshor...chida-us-expat-in-japan-by-matthew-atlee.html
http://www.offshorewave.com/offshorenews/distance-learning-in-asia-by-kenji-chida.html
http://www.facebook.com/kenji.chida
http://www.mikami-chida.com/write now/write now top.htm

 

[chiyako]

its not that hard if you have enough money and no criminal record.

 

[aquamarine]

And time... and qualifications... and have a very good reason for the government to bother considering you a citizen... and the want to give up your original countries passport... and not be from a 'hostile' country (ie: 'questionable' such as Nigeria, Iran, USA, Philippines)... and have a lot of luck.... and have a very good lawyer... and have patients up the ass... and be more qualified for a certain job than any other Japanese citizen.

Did that help at all? "Chiyako" (yea, I'm certain that's HIS real name) is kind of like the guy in that other thread.... "Common Knowledge Regurgitator".

 

[chiyako]

"Chiyako" (yea, I'm certain that's HIS real name) is kind of like the guy in that other thread.... "Common Knowledge Regurgitator".

1:what kind of idiot use his real name on the internet.
2:even chiyako is not a boy name.
3k im a common knowledge regurgitator and you are not. do not show off your poor knowledge.
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