Becoming A Japanese Citizen

[aquamarine]

You call everything I wrote as a collection of opinions. Please site some sources yourself or stop calling the kettle black. Yea, kthx.

There are many cases of citizenship being granted? Fine. Please give us exaples. Also, where in Japan do you live? Where have you lived and under what circumstances? Were you here with one of those working holiday visas? Military? Etc? Illegal Nigerian? Please give us a bit more than your other side of the opinion.

If you mentioned it, then please post again. I surely have missed it amongst all of your unsupported counterpoints. Kplzthxnow.

That's not true at all. There are many cases where permanent residents have become citizens. Is it easy? No. Are there many reasons why it is not for most gaijin? Yes. Can it be done with skill and perseverance? Hell yeah.



OK 1) Don't forget the education visa and the permutations on those others. It's important to note that the work visa's are more specific to general groupings of professions.

2) Permanent residents can own property, let alone citizens.




There is a language requirement, actually, amongst a list of others, but it's the same as expected of the average high school graduate. But since it also requires reading and writing aptitude you are correct that speaking [alone] has dick-all to do with it. But that's stretching it.



Culturally speaking, yeah, there's no chance to blend in and be seen as a part of the Yamato-soul or other some such nonsense. But can it be legally done? It has and it will again, barring another Tokagawa-like isolation.


"Basically: Are you qualified for a job? Yes? Then you probably will get it if you are more qualified than the last guy."

Probably have to be much better if the guy is Japanese. I'll cop to their blatant racism. Since I am going as a Doctor of Dental Surgery, I'll not have to worry about it as much as others, but no huge CEO jobs without the trails blazed beforehand.




With a bachelors there have been a few jobs open traditionally, but I think language and culture knowledge, not to mention a willingness to always learn and be polite help more than a masters degree. But you must at least have that 4 year diploma if you want to stay employed and in Japan.




1) Accredited college degrees from the US are always acknowledged in Japan. And full degrees of accredited universities in Japan are acknowledged in the US. But credit hours may or may not be seen as valid. So if you think you want to transfer, get your associates, bachelors or masters before you move. But if you already have the schooling you need, your degree will work there.

I checked on this myself, in the case I want to finish grad school in Niigata. It would get me some immersion after all my language and cultural book learning.

2) You can always find work for a foriegn company that has offices in Japan. I've got one friend who is doing that through a large computer company.

3) Certain Japanese companies will sponsor you. But for that, you've got to network and specialize your skills. Best of luck.




While I agree that there are some very stupid otaku-types with even dumber reasons for going to Japan, there are some very noble, well reasoned and genuinely awesome reasons for doing so. I think it's a little disingenuous to lambaste someone because he's somewhere and has his sights on being somewhere else someday. As hard work foresight and perseverance, and you get growth.



And we're discussing this on a porn site. Are we not serious? Are we not men? (A: We are DEVO) But on to your points:



We all start somewhere dude. And most of us do rely on parents, to greater or lesser extent until we are into our twenties. Of course it's awesome that you could pay for your own tuition! But the costs are so ridiculous now that it's not an option for the vast majority. I'm up to my eyeballs in debt, and I'm fine with that.



So are people not supposed to travel until middle age? I'd be more worried about the idiots that have no wish to learn the language or culture, like many of the servicemen posted there and some of those English teachers. As they are the vast majority of those who screw up in Japan and make us look bad, we should worry about them. We shouldn't bother trying to discourage others from coming if they're willing to learn the culture.



Your facts were a collection of harsh opinions and also false presumptions about the naturalization process. Do everything right, and after you've been married to a Japanese person for 3 years and/or worked for the same employer for 10 years, you have reached the basic requirements to become a permanent resident. And that's all that most gaijin would ever need, and more than most need.



Again, many have higher goals. For example, I don't really care for most Anime, or Japanese pop culture. I agree with many of the core beliefs inherrent in the social contract of Japanese society. I'll even accept second class status to be able to give medical care to those that need it. I'm even giving up huge profits here in the states to accomplish that.

And even if this kid is the biggest J-dork in the world, that doesn't give you the responsibility to rip him down. One's goals are one's own. I don't disagree with everything you said here, but let us try to be constructive here.

Sorry to take umbrage for my first post! Be well all.

 

[imported_the_laughing_man]

i have been married to my wife (Japanese) for 10 years and been living in Japan for 9 years.

I got my citizenship last Autumn and I must admit after failing once before it is bloody hard to achieve but now I have so many options open to me it was so worth it!

 

[aquamarine]

It should be noted that a 'points' system is currently in talks to be adopted. Similar to Canada, you will (if the policy is adopted) need to have a certain number of points to become both a citizen and permanent resident. (vice versa). That includes an in depth language test (sorry kids, that means more than learning "Ohayo" and "Iku"), a history test, learning the Japanese national anthem and many other things sch as being sponsored, being self-sustainable, not being a leech on society and many other things.

It's a good idea in my opinion as it will weed out the little cartoon weenies that want to come here and pretend they are samurai, as well as get rid of those fucking idiots from a country that happens to rhyme with Lyberia.

 

[Axandra]

To the OP: Becoming a Japanese Citizen? Why not start getting informed here [EN] or here [JP].
Personally, I'm pretty much in the_laughing_man's stated position though I haven't applied for citizenship... yet.

 

[Aizmov]

Japan is not the US or Canada. They don't give away citizenship.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Japan is not the US or Canada. They don't give away citizenship.

And I hate to say it, but that's what is ruining the US. It was a good thing before, when people wanted to escape persecution and start a new life-- but nowadays, they just was to escape working and start receiving checks from the government...

 

[guy]

And I hate to say it

I don't hate to say it. It's true, so I say it with great disdain and lament.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

I don't hate to say it. It's true, so I say it with great disdain and lament.

Yeah, you're right-- it's just one of those phrases that has lost it's meaning, like "no pun intended" or "I understand if you just want to cuddle"...

Ahh, so many can live the American dream, thanks to the US taxpayers...

 

[aquamarine]

That's outright disgusting. If I would have had the power to vote for Bush and his predecessors (short of Clinton), I would be ashamed with myself. Then again, back in Canada I voted conservative since those fuck-wad liberals did such a job of completely shitting-up our economy at the time and our legal system.

Gotta love it when criminals have MORE RIGHT to defend themselves than the people they are attacking. Yea, I love liberals... sure....

 

[Ceiling Cat]

Gotta love it when criminals have MORE RIGHT to defend themselves than the people they are attacking.

Tell me about it; I own two AR15s and a Glock 22, and I have to worry about being sued and imprisoned if I use my firearm in self-defense. Hey, what about the fact that the a$$hole would still be alive had he never broke into my house in the first place?!

On a side note, getting a Mossberg 590 (12 gauge) in a few weeks. Aquamarine, if you're ever in Hawaii, hit me up... nothing beats throwing lead downrange...

 

[aquamarine]

I've never been to Hawaii but I've promised my gal-friday that I'll take her on a cruise sometime next year. That cruise might turn into a trip to Hawaii, depending on the costs. All I have back home in Saskatchewan are a few shotguns (double break-barrel), a Remington 597, a couple of olllld Cooey .22's and a Winchester 30-30. They're all packed away at the farm since the rest of the family has no use for them short of shooting any lynx that creep up on the farmhouse.

 

[Aizmov]

And I hate to say it, but that's what is ruining the US. It was a good thing before, when people wanted to escape persecution and start a new life-- but nowadays, they just was to escape working and start receiving checks from the government...

Well, we are making it hard(er) for the people who have the skills and education who do want to come and work here.
That and most Mexicans are harder working than many Americans (white and black), and willing to work terrible jobs for less.

I think we should make it easier for people to enter the US legally. After all, it is a land we've stolen

 

[Rhinosaur]

I used to live in the States in the early '90s and have visited Ohau on about 5 or 6 occasions over the years. Absolutely love it but my folks say Maui and Kauai are breathtaking!
Love living in the tropics!

 

[gabo000000]

Um, is THAT really HARD to live in Japan? I'm willing to live in The Land of The Rising Sun, and that is my plan in the future when I get enough funds. I really want to live there, and I'm sick of the Philippines very, very much. The majority of the Filipino community doesn't support otakus and cosplayers like me. That's why I want to live in Japan. I'm even studying Nihonggo by myself, even though it's HELL HARD that will make your nose bleed to the fullest. is there any way to become a citizen legally?

 

[guy]

is there any way to become a citizen legally?

Read here:
http://www.akiba-online.com/forum/showthread.php?t=41676



Also, as a brief reality check: being an otaku and cosplaying is a hobby, not a way of life. You cannot come to Japan and get a job as a professional otaku or cosplayer (except unless you're a girl and don't mind getting groped at maid cafes). Although you might find it easier to enjoy your hobbies in Japan, you may also ultimately find it significantly more difficult to sustain that hobby (difficulty maintaining a job, saving enough money to spend on your hobbies, etc).

It may be better than what options you might have in the Philippines, but coming to Japan "just because it's the land of otakus and cosplay" is really, really irresponsible.

 

[spikier]

let me clear this up, RIGHT! NOW!!.

ok people, i love japan, everything about it. its culture, loli, anime & manga, and yes, also for their tolerance for you know what. i don't need you people judging me & riding my ass, simply because i love lolicon & want to go to japan.

if i choose to go there just to be around lolicon & jr idols (pedophilia) then that's my damn business. i'm not going there to break the damn law.

so Sakunyuusha, screw you, i'm going there anyway, to be around the loli & jr idol content. how do you like that!. you don't speak for japan!, so don't give me that "do japan a favor" crap.

and as for you "guy", if you were referring to me when you wrote: "if you think you can come to Japan thinking you can chase schoolgirls with your pants around your ankles (how's that for hyperbole?), you're going to ruin it for the rest of us. So please, please try to get a grasp on reality!". then i only have this to say: what i do is my own business!.

i don't need any of you telling me what i can or can not go to japan for. i think that's up to japan...and ME!.

i will follow my own "morals" & do what i feel is right. and NOT what you people THINK is right.

i'm going to the "loli country". end of discussion. there's nothing you guys can do about it.

find something else to do with your time besides F*** with me.

my life my rules. if the choices i make in this life is wrong, then i'm pretty sure i will pay for them in the after-life.

after all the stuff I've seen from japan, i say, japan is perfect for me.

"japan" allows lots of stuff that the "U.S.A" wouldn't. so that alone makes me wana go there.

so screw all of you moral crusaders.


thanks lowleggy ^_^, just ignore them all. they are idiots.

i don't want you getting into arguments because of me. so just ignore them lease:.

Sakunyuusha stop being a bi***. find something better to do with your life, besides judging me.

life is hard enough as it is. i don't need your bullshit.

i treat people the way they treat me. so if you feel offended by me calling you a bi***, then stop being one.

good day.

 

[Ceewan]

To rephrase my previous and perhaps over-the-top statement.

Please let us continue this thread and let us try to stay ontopic. Thank you for your indulgence and cooperation.

 

[imported_the_laughing_man]

Personally, I'm pretty much in the_laughing_man's stated position though I haven't applied for citizenship... yet.

It's not too important to get a citizenship though as you can live there permanently and just renew your VISA but wanting to have a mortgage and be more equal I did it and on the 2n'd attempt achieved it. You don't have to have a Japanese parent to be a citizen as I am spouse to a citizen. However for someone who is in Japan based on their BA and job I am not sure. Either way you gotta be fluent in Japanese and know the history.

 

[newbie009]

You need a "sokai" hmmm dont know if i spelled it correctly....any ways it is an arrange marraige were you pay a girl to pretend to be your wife for a given period of time...that's the fastest way of becoming a citizen...believe me....

 

[aquamarine]

That doesn't let you become a citizen, dumbass, that lets you get a spousal visa.