A... Gay thread?!?!

[thisismyname]

Source ? :dunno:

Wow I can't belive i'm actually going to argue against homosexual material on the forums like this. If I am, I might as well at least try my best to represent team straight. That is only an average, there are no accurate numbers exactly however I can give you a lot of statistics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation#Ratios_of_proportions

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percent_of_the_world_is_gay

 

[thisismyname]

I'm not sure you're understanding my argument, and things like this:





These aren't valid rebuttals. That last quote isn't even coherent. If you think I'm wrong, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. But if you want to argue against anything I've said, you're going to have to explain your side a lot better than this. Tell me WHY my position is wrong.

Simply saying "no" or "I don't like it" is not a valid argument.

I didn't say your side of the argument is wrong, there is no right and wrong here imo. I do want to clairfy my position or my last statement. I'll be direct then because my statement was unclear. We all know U-15 means idols under the age of 15 right? If you can see on the forum, there are two threads bumped right now being labelled as [BOY] yet 99% of threads on that section of the forum is just for straight people which are girls. You can easily see alot of controversy and alot of people arguing against it in those threads. The original posters of those threads said a similar excuse as you, he said, who are we to judge because there are alot of videos of idols that are underage, therefore is the same thing. My whole point of my arguement is it's not the same thing at all, one is targetted for straight people, the other one is targetted for homosexuals and shouldn't be lumped as the same thing or the same preference or appeal. Like you said alot of us can't choose our sexuality, however those who are homosexuals, shouldn't say their material is the same as ours in any way shape and form. It's not only about who it appeals to or how few, I honestly would say you shouldn't mention the word fetish because it's not the same thing just because there are less homosexuals on the board, it's now the same classification as straight people who find fetishes appealling which are the minority. I'm just say those supporting homosexual sexual material on the forum is using excuses like it's also underage too, who are you to judge, it's the same thing, or fetishes are equally unappealing therefore it's the same classification. Which is like trying to find a pattern that really isn't the same like trying to put together a puzzle with two pieces that doesn't even remotely fit from another set of puzzles and saying it does. If you don't think there is a different between material targetted at straight people and homosexuals and just throw the word fetish around, I don't know what to tell you.

My only point is it's not the same thing, these [BOY] videos on that section of the forum isn't exactly targetted at straight people, rather homosexuals will download it instead. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, i'm just saying it's homosexual material and now it's suggested we should go all out and give a whole gay section on the forums with more than just idols, now you want javs with two males. Looking at the picture of the site, it's a girl anime picture on there. If you don't understand my points the difference of gender or homosexual, or don't acknowledge that there is a difference just because they are both idols or jav, I don't know what to tell you. Right now the votes are quite close, I ask those with my opinions to vote against it. It seems the more I oppose it, the more others will vote for it. Being really direct, maybe you didn't realise it, alot of straight people finds homosexual material more repulsive than any fetish out there, we have to tolerate it and say that's their business. I'm sure alot more in the world will find U-15 to be more disgusting than fetishes of course. I say gender divides the material, not who it appeals to since 97% of the board appeals to straight people (just an estimate), it's not the same as a fetish at all. It's not about appeal, it's about gender and who it's targetted to. Now we have to acknowledge such material exist and give homosexuals the same rights as straight people.

I don't mind if it's kept at another section of the forum and not a subforum in the jav or U-15 section. I wouldn't want to see under the JAV subforums, fetishes, uncensored, then gay. Or U-15 subforum as IV torrents, then next to it boys. It would make alot of straight people unconfortable and disgusted. Of course no offense, that's how I feel about the subject, feel free to tell me why my opinion is wrong about that and why I shouldn't be unconfortable or disgusted. I have no problems with the material targetted at straight people and don't find that disgusting at all on any level. Maybe I shouldn't be arguing against homosexual material on the forum, metaphorically the u.s tried to argue against a similar topic as gay marriage, it only gave awareness to homosexuals and they legalised gay marriage afterwards. I don't want to do anything remotely similar on the board. Right now there are only a few gay threads and I can tolerate that, if there was a gay subsection or forum section, what is to stop that from having a ton more gay material posted on the board? Which would make the intergrity of the board questionable. Sorry for writing so much.

 

[elgringo14]

Wow I can't belive i'm actually going to argue against homosexual material on the forums like this. If I am, I might as well at least try my best to represent team straight. That is only an average, there are no accurate numbers exactly however I can give you a lot of statistics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_percent_of_the_world_is_gay

Sorry to have bothered you, but you can't throw numbers from thin air into such a sensitive subject. :exhausted:

 

[Gir633]

It just seems weird that newhalf is allowed while gay isn't. Is there some kind of threshold beyond which the vid becomes "too gay?"

I think it has to do something along the lines of Balls touching.


I don't mind some newhalf stuff, but full on gay porn... not my thing.

(I blame futanari manga, but you also have to admit that some Asian transsexuals are as good looking or better than some "real" women, especially the Thais. Remind me if I ever go to Thailand to be extra carefull in picking up dates. uzzled

If gay content is allowed it should be kept to it's own forum and one can always set the "Forums To Exclude From View" settings to exclude it if they wish not to see it.


Just don't take my hot nasty lesbians away.:nosebleed::notagain::evillaugh:

 

[Desu]

you also have to admit that some Asian transsexuals are as good or better than some "real" women, especially the Thais

not really.

 

[lowleg26]

I honestly would say you shouldn't mention the word fetish because it's not the same thing just because there are less homosexuals on the board, it's now the same classification as straight people who find fetishes appealling which are the minority

Again, you clearly don't understand my argument. I don't know if this is related to language barrier issues, whether you're just choosing not to understand it, or whether you're just outright trying to troll me. The parallels I've drawn between the material that's already on the site and gay material should be clear to anyone with a working knowledge of English. I don't know how to explain what I've said any more plainly, and everything you come back at me with continues to boil down to "I don't like it."

I don't mind if it's kept at another section of the forum and not a subforum in the jav or U-15 section

Did you read any of my posts at all?

Keep in mind that, if admin decided to start allowing gay material, it would most likely get its own section away from the normal JAV section. You wouldn't be forced to see anything you didn't want to see.

or you can do what Gir633 stated

and one can always set the "Forums To Exclude From View" settings to exclude it if they wish not to see it

Nobody is going to come to your house and make you browse the gay section.

You should also know that saying things like this:

straight people finds homosexual material more repulsive than any fetish out there

Now we have to acknowledge such material exist and give homosexuals the same rights as straight people.

the u.s tried to argue against a similar topic as gay marriage, it only gave awareness to homosexuals and they legalised gay marriage afterwards. I don't want to do anything remotely similar on the board

what is to stop that from having a ton more gay material posted on the board? Which would make the intergrity of the board questionable

and then following up by saying:

Of course no offense

Doesn't magically make what you said totally benign. I can't walk around saying "I fucked your mother. Of course, no offense," and expect everything to be OK.

Looking at the picture of the site, it's a girl anime picture on there

Really? This is part of your argument? Try reading the rules instead of just looking at pictures. This site is open to all material that falls within those rules. As long as its not illegal and is from a company in Japan, it should be allowed.

 

[thisismyname]

I guess I have nothing else to say, when you start insulting me, I know that's a point where your antagonistic and refuse to listen to my point. That's why I don't belive in arguements and how it's counter productive since The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it. When someone insults my english, they have no real points to counter except using cheap shots. Also it's you who didn't listen to my arguement where I know you haven't changed my mind and I won simply because you can't counter my points and use insults. If I keep opposing your views, then than usually others will support your side, which I don't want to happen so I won't say too much more. If anything, why are homosexuals browsing on this site? It's akibi online, what kind of site do they think it is? It's targetted for straight people, that doesn't make sense why they are here then demanding a gay section of a forum and promoting homosexual content like straight people has to acknowledge it then accept it, then give them a section of the forum. I wouldn't be suprised if those who are asking for this section of the forum is infact gay dispite their clams of the contrary.

The problem is I can't step into the shoes of gay people and see their side of the argument of why there should be a gay forum and gay people can't step into our shoes and understand why we feel disgusted about it and why we opposed to it. I say just ignore it and label the threads as gay so others can ignore it, that works for me and alot of other people too in the U-15 section of the forum and don't post gay porn in the JAV forum. The more you insult me because you ran out of points, the more you strengthen my credibility and points. We both simply can't emphasize with each others point of view and understand it because we are both different. I have to understand why you need a gay section of the forum and how that affects you or benefits you. You have to understand why I don't care for that section and why I don't approve of it like most of the world. To the next post, how about I don't like it and 85% of the world agrees with me.

 

[Gaiarth]

I wasn't aware there was transexual material on the site.

Which means it hasn't affected you in any way. So why would gay material? Just because if they added a section now, you would know that it was there? Me, I would never visit that section. But it wouldn't bother me that it was there.

I think it might prove rather pointless having it, as I believe very few others would go there, and I doubt it would bring a huge influx of new members looking specifically for Asian gay porn. But being a waste of effort on the part of the Admins to set up is a much more valid argument than 'Because I don't like it'.

 

[Rhinosaur]

How's this for irony?
On the view poll results page is this image!
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[lowleg26]

When someone insults my english, they have no real points to counter except using cheap shots

Well, its statements like this:

I've seen alot of excuses like that with gay material already posted on the forum before, yet they ignore the fact the sexuality and the gender trying to pass it off as similar things yet it couldn't be anymore different or completely opposite

that lead me to believe you're not a native speaker, and, therefor, may have trouble understanding the argument. That statement you made makes no sense. I'm not saying that to be mean, it's the truth.

And as far as your "argument", I feel I've been pretty cordial with you. The bulk of what you've said could easily be interpreted as simply "anti-gay." Instead of hitting you with that low-blow, I've tried to structure simple, rational rebuttals to what you've said.

It's akibi online, what kind of site do they think it is?

Again, read the rules. There's nothing there that states this site is exclusively for heterosexual males.

I wouldn't be suprised if those who are asking for this section of the forum is infact gay dispite their clams of the contrary.

Oh wow, I didn't realize I was back in middle school. This is especially funny considering that you began your post accusing me of taking a low road. Stay classy, buddy.

The more you insult me because you ran out of points, the more you strengthen my credibility and points.

I guess if you tell yourself something is true often enough, it becomes the truth, right?

why I don't approve of it like most of the world. To the next post, how about I don't like it and 85% of the world agrees with me

Most of the world? What world? The 3rd world? Undeveloped nations? Citation needed!

If you want to cry foul, take your ball, and go home that's your choice, but don't act like I drove you to it. Your argument was poor and most of your posts were incoherent, all I did was point that out. But you go ahead and believe what you want to believe.

 

[thisismyname]

You simply have no effective points and don't understand mine insulting me thinking everyone agrees with you when they don't. Your trying to discredit me anyway you can because you only have one point which is the word fetish, that's about it and you think it's an effective point. Belive me I have been in many arguements, when people tries to insult your english or spelling mistakes or anything, they simply don't know you, they ran out of points. Instead of using logic to argue a point, they use insults which are emotionally driven meaning they lost all logical control over anger. No the site didn't say it didn't allow homosexual material either, it's very clear what the intention of the site is. I'll let others hear my points and even if you don't agree or understand them, there are many others that might agree with them over your points, which I don't understand. We shouldn't only listen to your opinion, I will consider everyone else's too. You haven't made a good point yet and stop using the word fetish. I might sound anti gay, however it's obvious you might be a homosexual dispite what you claim and really want a section of the forum for yourself and other homosexuals lurking here. We are all aware of that regardless of your excuses, have no problems with that if you can level with me and try to discuss things rather than insulting me. Now we have to acknowledge these homosexual videos and give you a forum because you think it's a good idea. You don't even care about what 85% of the world thinks with your pro gay agenda and you need to be more talk to people with more respect and not insult them because they don't agree with you.

Wow plz vote no, thanks.

 

[lowleg26]

You simply have no effective points

Actually, I've been pretty articulate.

I'll let others hear my points and even if you don't agree or understand them

Oh, I understand your viewpoint. And I feel I've been pretty polite, especially considering your position is to stomp your feet and say, "NO! I don't like it!"

thinking everyone agrees with you when they don't.

I'm not the one making baseless claims about how such-and-such percentage of people absolutely agree with me.

Your trying to discredit me anyway you can

Actually, you're doing that to yourself. I'm just helping to keep things rolling.

I might sound anti gay, however it's obvious you might be a homosexual dispite what you claim and really want a section of the forum for yourself and other homosexuals lurking here

OH NOES! I've been found out! My secret gay cabal has been exposed. Our cover is blown...and that's not the only thing getting blown!

your pro gay agenda

Please continue with the anti-gay rhetoric. It really makes you look buffoonish. Plus, fair warning, it may get you suspended! Read the rules.

you need to be more talk to people with more respect and not insult them because they don't agree with you

Please point out exactly where I insulted you BEFORE you started attacking me. Even considering you've decided to use me as a focal point for your discontent, I feel I've been more than fair when addressing you. If you think I'm being unduly rude or unfair, report my posts. If the mods think I'm out of line, I'll tone it down. But, considering the subject of this discussion, I'm pretty sure they're already keeping an eye on this thread to make sure things don't get out of hand.

I think the really sad thing about this is, the thought of having to deal with blowback from a small section of whiny homophobes is probably more than enough to keep the admin from creating a gay section.

So you keep on doing what your doing, big guy! Your blather is probably doing your side more good than you think.

 

[lowleg26]

Please excuse the double post, but I actually want to touch on a different point.

First, I'd like to state my intent to, from this point, refrain from bickering. Its clearly not furthering the core discussion and is probably putting off a lot of members from even participating in the discussion. At the very least, I have to accept partial responsibility for that. Hopefully, there's still merit in the discussion, despite the derailment I helped contribute to.

Gaiarth posted this earlier:

I think it might prove rather pointless having it, as I believe very few others would go there, and I doubt it would bring a huge influx of new members looking specifically for Asian gay porn. But being a waste of effort on the part of the Admins to set up is a much more valid argument than 'Because I don't like it'.

What I'd like to get some clarification on is this, how much time and effort would have to put into the creation of the new section? Or, more bluntly, how much of a hassle is it? Is this something that takes an hour, an afternoon, or a weekend? If we're talking some kind of massive overhaul, that adds a new dimension to the discussion.

Also, would it be possible to have a gay section on a trial basis, just to test the waters and see if it does draw new members or get traffic?

Would moderating a new section be a huge inconvenience to staff?

Lastly, If there were a trial section and it tanked, how much work goes into tearing down the new area?

 

[kbryc08]

Ok, this isn't really getting anywhere between you two (lowleg and thisismyname). I think it's best to just agree to disagree.

 

[Desu]

why aren't people voting? i thought there were a lot of users waiting for a chance like this uzzled:

 

[The Prisoner]

I don't usually partake of any of these types of discussions, and I don't plan to make it a
habit of doing so. As far as having a section for gay JAV, or male idols or U-15 boy junior idols I could care less. None of that interests me, but there's nothing in the world that says I have to spend two seconds of my time looking at anything that I don't feel like looking at. You'd swear there must be some members whose homes have been invaded by people who sit behind them while they're on their computers, holding a gun on them and forcing them to click on links to material they find offensive. That's gotta suck.
What I find to be absolutely silly though is that these strenuous objections more often than not seem to come from people who share absolutely nothing here.
While everyone is entitled to an opinion and to let others know what it is, as far as
I'm concerned those people's views carry about as much weight as their contributions.
If you don't like it don't look at it. Life doesn't really get any simpler than that. :ban:

 

[Aqua2213]

Wow I can't belive i'm actually going to argue against homosexual material on the forums like this. If I am, I might as well at least try my best to represent team straight.

"Hetero... Please ...."

Wow, all the homophobic vibes for one teenie little inquiry. :evillaugh:

After reading this thread, I don't think the Gays would want their material in this forum.

I voted YES at the beginning of this thread, but after reading it through and as a self respecting Heterosexual (with a twist) I will have to stand up for the Gay and Lesbian position and vote NO.

I have to go now..... Rei has a gun to the back of my head and she's telling me I HAVE to go to the Junior Idol section now or else. (somebody help pweeze.... lease

:furious:"Heterosexuals......Fuck Yeah!!!!"issed:

 

[NoriHiiro]

The answer seems to be a resounding no. If anyone wants the links, you can pm me. Most gay jav I have found is basically like watching shemales without the fake boobs. BTW watching a guy with fake boobs having sex with another guy is still watching two guys have sex.:evillaugh:

 

[NoriHiiro]

BTW no hard feelings mods I still think AO is one the best places on the internets.:love:

 

[The Prisoner]

Well considering that only 52 out of the 330,046 members have voted, you might want to wait a bit yet until any definite conclusion is reached. Besides the final say rests with chompy anyway.