The Case of Tokyo Hot

This thread is hilarious , I've never lived in Japan but there are some known facts that are true not just in Japan but anywhere in the world where Criminal Organizations exist you can call them Triads, Bratva, Mafia or whatever but they all follow the same logic, they run shady and illegal business AND own many LEGAL business they need to launder their money and make it legit . Among those they usually run legal gambling and anything related to sex from stripping clubs to prostitution and to porn , piracy and especially porn piracy included , you may have noticed all those commercials about sex clubs and gambling sites preceding so many pirated movies right? Who do you think is doing that? They are ripping movies on industrial basis , more often than not leaking the new ones yet to be issued who gives them their material , while doing this they add their spots and then they upload them by the hundreds in basically every existing site that gives up JAV .
Do you have any idea about the sheer proportions of the investments needed to do that?
It's an illegal activity , who do you think may have that kind of money? Who do you think is also willing to spend such large amount over an illegal activity? Some amateurish hacker groups fighting for some freedom of speech manifesto?
Why aren't they shut down? How long would it take even if it was the dumbest police in the world to figure out those "casinos" and "stripping clubs" are related with illegal ripping and sharing of porn even to minors , they have a name and address all over it, they are owned by someone and even if it's not them who do that, they certainly pay someone for placing those commercials in there. So again why isn't the police stopping them? Who has the kind of leverage over Authorities they would need to avoid a thorough investigation on the matter and a full disclosure?

The problem with Yakuza or any other Criminals owning and controlling porn companies isn't in their ownership, it lies in their recruitments practice in the handling of the performers and all the safety issues involved.

For example it's almost a cliche to have girls and or wives handed to them to be filmed in porn to repay heavy gambling debts or shark loaning debts , so yes they are "willingly" going into it, but who manages either gambling and loans?

You don't need to live in Japan to get that , organized crime is a plague infecting every single Country on this world , some are older and famed more than most but yust think about how it works in your own country and you will have your answer.

don't tell me any "cultural difference" bullshit this kind of crminal exist all over the world no matter the culture sometimes they are centuries old , they're drivem by the same basic behavioral codes they all recognize and respect and this is why they usually come along handling and managing their activities with no cultural problems, when they go to war it's a matter of money and power not a cultural misunderstanding
 
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Inane: Yakuza have had close to zero involvement in JAV for decades. Actual sex work may be a different story.

And you know that how? They stopped their TV commercials? They made public their balancies?

Also you do know that a number of porn performers also "play at home" ?
Though if true it would be a world break out it'd be the only criminal organization in the whole world that is not involved with porn
 
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I didn't know Inertia was an insider , but is he? or are you just speculating?

The Wikipedia could be used as a basis for further researches but as a source in itself is as reliable as me passed out dead drunk.
You should know that here in Europe in some "beauty salons" You could find a number of Asians prostituting themselves from Thai to Chinese , passing through Vietnamese and Korean and you know what? Some of them are Japanese, I'd find it weird that A Japanese woman has to go to the other side of the world to escort but wouldn't do it closer to home.

By the way without excessive efforts and with a five minutes search on this very board
this is Kagami Shuna the pictures above are those of her escorting the one below was taken during her JAV run
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Some guy recently shared uncensored images of his time with Shuna! For those of you unaware, she escorts full time since her AV career ended. She still looks as perfect as ever :cinta:

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Here the first ones could just be some private moment, I couldn't confirm the tweetwas deleted so I don't know if it's her sharing or if it was some client who did it


In other twitter news, Azuki seemed to have a fun night, backup pics if it gets deleted.
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Escort Mimi
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And last Saotome Yui

I'm guessing there won't be any more videos from Yui Saotome. Even ignoring the usual taboo towards tattoos, a full back tat of an angel is unlikely to be popular.

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two comments following, I'm not the one speculating about her affiliation here

Awwww, that's terrible, she was a fav of mine. Look at the detail of the pic, she's literally 404'd her career (nerd joke).

She must be hanging around with some Yakuza circles to have been influenced enough to go get this done.
I do hope it's not the and and she does ride again... in every sense of the word.
And also referring to Yui Saotome BTW the age referred must be wrong as she begun in 2014 if this was true she should have been underage back then, but I don't think so
She's working delivery health in the same place as Shuna Kagami, and keeps a blog. Unsure about linking, but her profile name is "ゆい〔21歳〕 ロリカワ有名AV女優."

I didn't even have to sweep the whole board I found those within 4 pages of the very same thread already!


so I'd think the Wiki is wrong it's a lot more common than they say , unless of course you can say none of those girls is Japanese
 
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SHUNA KAGAMI uncensored!!! Where can I find that?????

Nowhere unless it's a decensored movie

those uncensored pictures I put where from a client of hers who gave up just those as proof that he did fuck her, but the video he took stayed private as far as I know , she quit porn a year ago and went to a club to practice "home healthcare " full time along with Yui Saotome and possibly others
 
So basically inertia deals with adiministrative stuff.

Even if just half of them work on the side escorting, or even if one third of them do , still we're talking several thousands over the years and this makes the wiki page stating that basicaly all prostitutes in Japan are foreigners and that Japanese Women seldom do that, unsubstatiated already , this without even taking into consideration what pushed those girls into porn also worked for some other girls who didn't do porn and went directly into escorting so that they could stay relatively hidden and have a normal life afterwards.

the wiki is an unreliable source, everybody can put informations there and everybody else could challenge them, there's even a link to read some debates over some notions there. If you put something without backing it up with sources it stays there until someone challenges the information asking for a source , then they alert the one who put it asking for sources then if he fails to provide sources after a while the page gets edited and the notion removed.
If nobody challenges anything the notion no matter how wrong stays there.

And this assuming the sources themselves are legit and reliable which is not always the case

As for the tattoo something that big is not done in one single session , it's done after some of them, what we saw are only the basic lines of the tattoo , that was some months old , I didn't saw its finished version but it could very much be colored already if not full at least a good portion of it .

Anyway I didn't speculate abut that , I just quoted those who did

I have a question though, outside of Yakuza how common are those tattoos in Japan? How many people would have their back fully tattoed like that? could people be mislead by those if any?
 
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Let's not get driven away with diversions, you quoted this from the Wikipedia


Maybe because Inertia works in the business and have contacts ? So his infos are more reliable. And a quick visit on Wikipedia (it was well explained in my native language version) adds more details :
About yakuza and sex industry:
Prostitution of women in general is an activity held by yakuza. This phenomenon would affect between 100,000 and 150,000 women per year in the archipel. Women forced into prostitution in Japan come mainly from Southeast Asia and the former URSS, few Japanese women are involved. However, some Japanese girls, occasionally prostitute themselves on their own initiative, in order to improve their standard of living and obtain clothes or other luxury items.
Yakuza are also heavily involved in pornography, smuggling uncensored pornography from Europe and America (the local pornographic offer being censored, which is not the case with pornography coming from Europe and America).
And then you added this.
Japan's population is around 120 millions, something like that (I know it's almost twice my country's population). Let's say half of it are women. So there are 60 millions women in Japan. My country, according to the OCRTEH (an organization combating human trafficking), has around 20 000 prostitutes. So, Even if there are 40 000 japanese girls escorting on their own will, it's a very very small part.

It might be a small part of the global population but it's still one third of the prostutites working in Japan according to the very same Wikipedia that you youself provided as a source statng that there are 100,000 to 150,000 prostitutes in Japan.

Even if they were "just" 20,000 as your minimal figures it's still at least 20% of the total , a significant part of the escort market , and this is cetainly not the "few Japanese that occasionally prostitute themselves" as stated on the wikipage quoted above which is clearly biased and greatly underestimates the phenomenon of prostitution among the Japanese women.

and this is exactly the pointI was making from the beginning
 
You still miss the point , whether the numbers are speculation or not , we're still well into several thousands not within the "Japanese girls occasiaonally prostitute themselves" it's beyond that by far unless you're saying there are thousands of Japanese prostitutes left alone by the Yakuza
 
Few thousands girls in a 120 millions people country, sorry but it's not a lot at all.
It is a lot it's a third of the total number of prostitutes provided by the wiki you quoted even in the lower case we're still around 20% and it's certainly nothing occasional , it's professional .

Let's have a remainder of what happened at some point of this thread, it was quoted a wikipage claming that almost all the prostitution in Japan was performed by asian foreigners , Japanese women do that occasionaly when they need to buy something they couldn't normally afford

I thought what was on that wiki page was biased bullshit written by some wishful thinker in total denial

Then I just put the word "escort" as a key on the search engine of this very board and I found out some Japanese escorts in a matter of seconds , I didn't even had to browse the board , there were enough sources in a single thread already , so I put my reply challenging that claim .

Many pornstars escort on the side (it's a worldwide phenomenon ) either while still performing or going full time escorting when out of the JAV industry , given the sheer number of pornstars who work or worked there over the years , such number must have been in the order of many thousands escorting professionally.

So the Wiki Page was wrong .

It doesn't matter how many escorts are there compared with the total population , it'll be ALWAYS LOW whatever country you'd pick compared to the much greater number of their population , what really matters are the percentage of the total doing that job and the compared proportions between local workers and foreign workers . Whatever you choose the number of Japanese women escorting is significant and consistent on both accounts , nothing occasional
 
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A number roughly accurate (their source link is dead now, as the article isn't from this year)

However, my estimate number of japanese escorts is pure speculation based on the country population. It can be far less due to the fact that I should only include girls 18+ to maybe 45 (for a very very large spectrum). So, even if I refer to the number of 100,000 women, 20 000 is only 20%. 80% of the women are from other countries. In maths, 20% is clearly not a lot compared to 80%.
It doesn't matter how far less is compared to general population, that article says there's basically no prostitution performed by Japanese women except those who occasionally need some money to buy something they need.

This sounded rather false

So the question was: is that true? How many Japanese women escort? How many among the 100,000 to 150,000 professional prostitutes it claims are in Japan are actually Japanese?

It didn't matter it was an old study we're working with proportions and estimates , they wouldn't change much over the years unless some cultural revolution occurs

The answer is: a lot , 20% is the minimum and it's certainly less than the remaining 80% it's a fifth meaning that still at least one every five prostitutes you see is Japanese and this is the very least number , the lower estimate based on how many Japanese pornstars are there and that only a few of them end up escorting , we're still on thousands grounds .
Let's now try to imagine some more accurate proportions even staying on the estimates field, there would be no reason to think that those foreigner women would enter into prostitution but not JAV porn, it would be absurd for at least two reasons porn is still seen as "better" than prostitution, there is some transition between porn and mainstream movie making ,all over the world it's not unusual to have some pornstars on set or even to have former pornstars becoming mainstream actresses or the other way around , so in a way being a porn performer is still less dishonorable than just being a prostitute . Other than that an escort who was formerly a pornstar can charge more , she has fans and is "famous" and people dig famous people, would love to say I fucked (name at will) , it was glorious.
So a foreign prostitute has an interest in trying to become a pornstar first .

All this to say there's an interesting thread here on Akiba-Online this one:
https://www.akiba-online.com/threads/mixed-blooded-jav-actress.1240554/

It focuses on Mixed and Foreign performers in JAV , if you sum up all the namese put in there you may notice how few they are , maybe less than 100 and this even taking into consideration actresses who were active some 15 years ago,even doubling the number of those mentioned it's still incredibly low

If those are the proportions there's no reason to think it'll be enormously different when it come to prostitution, so the actual number of Japanese women escorting can't be so disproportionately low as I estimated before, the real proportion could very easily be the opposite 80% Japanese and 20% something else.
I want to still lay low, I'd say not every girl is suitable to be a pornstar ,a girl could be not good enough or even be downright ugly , or too unreliable being an addicted or a drunk , and even though it would apply to the Japanese women too , I can't ignore what the Wiki said , that many foreign women in Japan escort , so I'd lower my estimate doubling their number , we will still have around 60% and 50% if I want to stay generously low

Secondary evidence would be the escorts I found with my first search , they were all Japanese.
 
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Porn piracy is just made by warez teams. There are teams dedicaced to specific contents : movies, TV shows, games, ... AND porn (US, JAV). For JAV, the teams are probably from China, according to all those casino ads and yellow watermarks. They just add affiliate links, that's why there are tons of them. They get paid every time someone use their links to create an account on the casino sites.

Teams are definitely from China/Taiwan with the shitty voice at the start for most of the movies and the shitty ass machine translated subs. User Dioguitar is responsible for spaming every Chinese torrent site with trash rips
 
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The summer weather in the Japanese capital

Wonderful back and forwards interactions. Fascinating and sometimes risible insights into the Yakuza, tattoos (ze plane! ze plane!), Soapland, escorting and the occasional migration of AV workers into it... and the unseasonably hot weather in Tokyo. Thank you.
 
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Wonderful back and forwards interactions. Fascinating and sometimes risible insights into the Yakuza, tattoos (ze plane! ze plane!), Soapland, escorting and the occasional migration of AV workers into it... and the unseasonably hot weather in Tokyo. Thank you.

Well since as it would seem you're well informed about everything , care to give us some truth?
 
I was serious in praising the knowledge and enthusiasm shown in the conversation. Don't look for sarcasm where there is none. That would be inane.
 
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How did Tokyo Hot get relatively mainstream JAV actresses to do their really hard videos when they didn't do any other uncensored stuff?

I'm thinking of people like Chris Takiazawa, Akiko Nakata, Rin Aoki, Miyu Uchida etc. All had decently successful censored JAV careers and didn't do anything too extreme, then randomly made one or two Tokyo Hot movies and disappeared.

For example Miyu Uchida never did any censored nakadashi videos but in Tokyo Hot she does a real bukake nakadashi. I mean what the hell, from "no-way" to "okay 10 guys can cum in me" just like that.

Maybe they pay a lot more?
 
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Is n0017 Mitsu Amai under another name?

Tokyo Hot has an annoying habit of changing names of well known actresses. Anyone got any other examples?