JAV Gossips

[Inertia]

Sounds more like the police want to give some agencies/studios (who are they meeting? IPPA heads?) a refresher on the laws. Article seems more like a summary of what's happened rather than what may or may not come.

 

[jwlim80]

doubt the police can do much as long as the industry follows the laws, if more regulations are put in then that's a different story, but right now they shouldn't be able to do crap. Also doing the stuff with the school themes, and loli stuff it won't do shit to help out there perception unless they also go after the anime mainstream, because they do so much shit that's seen way more then the relatively tiny JAV industry

The way I see it is that someone is forcing the cops to act since real people complaint that they got hurt and scarred by the AV industry. No one said that they got hurt by some fictitious drawings and animations. Since the cops have the manpower to spare with the ongoing Yakuza civil war, some politicians think that they could put them to use to further their agenda and win votes.

Sounds more like the police want to give some agencies/studios (who are they meeting? IPPA heads?) a refresher on the laws. Article seems more like a summary of what's happened rather than what may or may not come.

I don't know. Could be nothing but a slap on the wrist like you said. But going by the charge they dropped on the suspects in the recent arrest, which had not been used for about 70 years that some lawyers had nearly forgotten about it btw, they seem hellbent on their intent.

 

[paparoach408]

The way I see it is that someone is forcing the cops to act since real people complaint that they got hurt and scarred by the AV industry. No one said that they got hurt by some fictitious drawings and animations. Since the cops have the manpower to spare with the ongoing Yakuza civil war, some politicians think that they could put them to use to further their agenda and win votes.

cops though really can't do crap if the industry is following the laws, there are bad apples, sure but that's like that they'll get put in jail, but not much else they can do

 

[jwlim80]

cops though really can't do crap if the industry is following the laws, there are bad apples, sure but that's like that they'll get put in jail, but not much else they can do

Maybe they feel there's a loophole somewhere in the current laws and wants to patch it up ? Some closer supervision to ensure that all production meet the current standard so that there will be no complaints ?

Also :-
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...trying-to-declare-porn-a-public-health-crisis

 

[paparoach408]

Maybe they feel there's a loophole somewhere in the current laws and wants to patch it up ? Some closer supervision to ensure that all production meet the current standard so that there will be no complaints ?

Also :-
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article...trying-to-declare-porn-a-public-health-crisis

I doubt they have any legal right to supervise anything, it's just a bunch of bs.Like what are they going to do? Japan has there laws and regulations and unless the police know they are breaking them, they can't do anything. If they tried, then the industry can just play it off like the police are trying to extort them, and that would be a much bigger headline that Japan wouldn't want before the olympics

and the second part
"Ross Spano, who introduced the bill, told the Christian Post in November. He’s also running for state attorney general."
so that's just typical politician bs, Porn is the easiest thing to target and will get him a bunch of easy voters. Also a declaration won't do crap, other states have done so and what has it done? if you can't affect the California Market, then they're just spreading blank statements

 

[jwlim80]

I doubt they have any legal right to supervise anything, it's just a bunch of bs.Like what are they going to do? Japan has there laws and regulations and unless the police know they are breaking them, they can't do anything. If they tried, then the industry can just play it off like the police are trying to extort them, and that would be a much bigger headline that Japan wouldn't want before the olympics

and the second part
"Ross Spano, who introduced the bill, told the Christian Post in November. He’s also running for state attorney general."
so that's just typical politician bs, Porn is the easiest thing to target and will get him a bunch of easy voters. Also a declaration won't do crap, other states have done so and what has it done? if you can't affect the California Market, then they're just spreading blank statements

I reckon that agents of the government have more to say on the law than an industry who toe on the grey area of it when it comes down to the line. Of course, the police will not act unless they have sufficient evidence to do so.

The 2nd point is, I do not know if it is a coincidence that similar incident where politicians on both side of the pacific are taking potshots at porn now. Because everyone technically having easy access to them for the past decade or so and they have just became aware of it ?

 

[Inertia]

jwlim: politicians in USA have been taking shots at porn for decades. Nothing new there. I don't think you'll see porn production in USA nor Japan reduced. If anything, porn is now more mainstream than ever.

Sushigoround: Tatamae for sure. Good way to sum this all up.

 

[jwlim80]

jwlim: politicians in USA have been taking shots at porn for decades. Nothing new there. I don't think you'll see porn production in USA nor Japan reduced. If anything, porn is now more mainstream than ever.

Mainstreaming of porn, I can agree. But how much do you attribute the trend to the prolification of Smart Devices ?

I remember 2012 being the year where smartphones and tablets really took off with teens getting their hands on them. I'm not sure if I should be surprise that the Governments took this long to formulate a respond to porn becoming the non-spoken norm now.

In the case of Japan, no, I don't think there will be a outright ban. If anything, there will be a smear campaign to paint the industry as a dark one with all scandals reported in the media in an effort to cut down the recruitment rates. Which is happening now. They might reduce the exposure by enforcing that no AV related materials are to be displayed in public.

What you will see in the future is perhaps less amateur releases with more emphasis on B-Grade and Graveur crossover talents.

 

[paparoach408]

Mainstreaming of porn, I can agree. But how much do you attribute the trend to the prolification of Smart Devices ?

I remember 2012 being the year where smartphones and tablets really took off with teens getting their hands on them. I'm not sure if I should be surprise that the Governments took this long to formulate a respond to porn becoming the non-spoken norm now.

In the case of Japan, no, I don't think there will be a outright ban. If anything, there will be a smear campaign to paint the industry as a dark one with all scandals reported in the media in an effort to cut down the recruitment rates. Which is happening now. They might reduce the exposure by enforcing that no AV related materials are to be displayed in public.

What you will see in the future is perhaps less amateur releases with more emphasis on B-Grade and Graveur crossover talents.

For a long time the government has half assed taken attempts to mess with porn, and haven't had any success What they are trying to do won't do anything.

second part
100% doubt that, heck even if your hypothetical smear campaign works then there will be a crap ton more amateurs(because it'll go underground), and no B-grade/Gravure idol would risk there career doing that(if your hypothetical works) it would be career suicide going to a "dark" industry full of scandals. Sex trade/ porn industry the recruitment rates will never go down, it'll probably just increase recruitment drives

 

[jwlim80]

For a long time the government has half assed taken attempts to mess with porn, and haven't had any success What they are trying to do won't do anything.

second part
100% doubt that, heck even if your hypothetical smear campaign works then there will be a crap ton more amateurs(because it'll go underground), and no B-grade/Gravure idol would risk there career doing that(if your hypothetical works) it would be career suicide going to a "dark" industry full of scandals. Sex trade/ porn industry the recruitment rates will never go down, it'll probably just increase recruitment drives

Well, if the current crackdown in Japan is anything to go by, it's certainly having it's impact.

And you are right in a sense that while we might not see more nameless amateurs with the studios, they will still be present on other independent platforms such as FC2.

Regarding the B grade/gravure idols, I assume most of them already know how the entertainment work and perhaps even have experience with the likes of Weinstein-like figures. So they will know what to expect after making the transistions to being a AV talents.

 

[ding73ding]

No time to write out even 1/10 of my thoughts on this. But let's see if I can write a few words with the few minutes left...

First saying: @jwlim80 is again off on his own hyperbole and wild speculation, I could write a big post attacking some of his points. But I won't ... partly because overall, he's not wrong to worry at least a bit.

Until this latest round, I'm more with @paparoach408 and @Inertia the more things change the more they stay the same. All the signs were that the wave of enforcement has peaked, the authority's huffing and puffing is almost over and the industry do a lot of hand-waving to pretend to address the problem. The various lawsuits and cases would still have to wind down but they will.

But this latest round shows the authority has NOT moved on. They are still targeting JAV. And there's a huge question if they are going after only the bad apples or exploiting the bad apples to target the whole JAV enterprise.

Not knowing Japanese myself... but I think jwlim80 totally mistranslated "淫行勧誘罪" and underestimated how worrisome it might be. jwlim80 seems to think "r***" charge would be a next level (more serious) criminal prosecution. But "淫行勧誘罪" is actually more dangerous to the industry then either labor law or r***/sexual assault. I would translate "淫行勧誘罪" as "solicitation for an immoral activity". Why is it much worse than r***? Well if it's labor law violation or r***, then it's clear how the industry can clean up, just get rid of the bad apples and their coercive practice. Make sure the girls understand and give consent and make document of the consent (not just getting a signature on a piece of paper, but to video-tape it). No problem, it's already how the industry is supposed to work. The problem is just some agents bend the rules or violate industry practice. But this "solicitation for an immoral activity" this law that has not been invoked for decades. This means even with perfectly given and documented consent, shooting and selling a JAV is still a crime and an immoral activity.

Today I just read another article from our standard source that the industry is now worried the authority is trying to devolve the industry back to pre-1990s status: simulated sex only. That means Japanese laws would be as strict or even stricter than Taiwan and Hong Kong.

At the risk of sounding like a madman, that is JAV Apocalypse.

 

[jwlim80]

No time to write out even 1/10 of my thoughts on this. But let's see if I can write a few words with the few minutes left...

First saying: @jwlim80 is again off on his own hyperbole and wild speculation, I could write a big post attacking some of his points. But I won't ... partly because overall, he's not wrong to worry at least a bit.

Until this latest round, I'm more with @paparoach408 and @Inertia the more things change the more they stay the same. All the signs were that the wave of enforcement has peaked, the authority's huffing and puffing is almost over and the industry do a lot of hand-waving to pretend to address the problem. The various lawsuits and cases would still have to wind down but they will.

But this latest round shows the authority has NOT moved on. They are still targeting JAV. And there's a huge question if they are going after only the bad apples or exploiting the bad apples to target the whole JAV enterprise.

Not knowing Japanese myself... but I think jwlim80 totally mistranslated "淫行勧誘罪" and underestimated how worrisome it might be. jwlim80 seems to think "r***" charge would be a next level (more serious) criminal prosecution. But "淫行勧誘罪" is actually more dangerous to the industry then either labor law or r***/sexual assault. I would translate "淫行勧誘罪" as "solicitation for an immoral activity". Why is it much worse than r***? Well if it's labor law violation or r***, then it's clear how the industry can clean up, just get rid of the bad apples and their coercive practice. Make sure the girls understand and give consent and make document of the consent (not just getting a signature on a piece of paper, but to video-tape it). No problem, it's already how the industry is supposed to work. The problem is just some agents bend the rules or violate industry practice. But this "solicitation for an immoral activity" this law that has not been invoked for decades. This means even with perfectly given and documented consent, shooting and selling a JAV is still a crime and an immoral activity.

Today I just read another article from our standard source that the industry is now worried the authority is trying to devolve the industry back to pre-1990s status: simulated sex only. That means Japanese laws would be as strict or even stricter than Taiwan and Hong Kong.

At the risk of sounding like a madman, that is JAV Apocalypse.

I'm not too worry about the overall charge because :-

1) There is no conviction.
2) The scale of the charge is too board.

You defination is not wrong. But going by it, it will mean the fuzouku trade is guilty of it as well. If the cops are serious, they should attack the fuzouku trade as well. But where is the action ?

If you are a fan of the Japanese culture, you should be aware of Osaka's Tobita Shinchi. That place had endure for decades and this is the where the cop should target.

I believe the reason why AV are targetted is because the wide audience reach the videos are getting due to the Internet. With fuzouku, at least it is out of sight, out of mind behind close doors.

 

[ding73ding]

http://www.playno1.com/article-25933-1.html
http://www.playno1.com/article-25958-1.html

Just the scariest part:
When the boss of Diaz Group which is 若月まりあ (Malia Watatuki)'s agency sees the news, he's pretty worried, according to the letters of the law, shooting AV and fuzouku are criminal, no if and or buts. Original quote in Chinese: "以條文規定的內容未來恐怕連AV都不能拍、風俗店也不用開了…"

Now chew that over a bit.

Further concerns/speculation/worry by the agency: any AV genre and themes that inspire the viewers to fantasize about underage girls, e.g. school uniform/sailor suit/school-like building/interior for film sets. The whole loli genre may die an unceremonious death right there. Any pornographic (nipples) imagery will have to disappear from outdoor advertising. 7-Eleven and similar convenience store would not be able to sell adult magazines/hentai manga etc. Meet-and-greet fan events with JAV idols will be scaled back. Photo-shoot events (fans pay a fee for an over-crowded photo session with an AV idols) can not have AV idols in swimsuits (and presumably lingerie, underwear or anything too skimpy or sexy).

There's a speculation it's the old Olympic effects but if it really gets as draconian as some industry people worry about, the AV/adult industry may be looking at a nuclear winter before we can think about a post-Olympic recovery.

Now allow me my own hyperbole: some of the lolicon stuffs, especially in the manga or 2D world, is pretty disgusting, personally I would be happy to see a good fraction of loli culture gets a nuclear cleansing.

For future discussion: the authority targeting all of AV and adult industry, part of it may be kissing up to the Christian conservatives in the West. But I also see a domestic political driving force too. "I guess we will just have to see"

 

[paparoach408]

Now allow me my own hyperbole: some of the lolicon stuffs, especially in the manga or 2D world, is pretty disgusting, personally I would be happy to see a good fraction of loli culture gets a nuclear cleansing.

For future discussion: the authority targeting all of AV and adult industry, part of it may be kissing up to the Christian conservatives in the West. But I also see a domestic political driving force too. "I guess we will just have to see"

I am curious what the loli actresses would do if this occurs, getting there lively hood destroyd over something they can't control, what would studios do market them as little people or something?

but yeah if any of this stuff happens it won't just affect the AV world, there's a lot of questionable stuff in the mainstream will be curious to see how the people who make money off that kind of stuff deal with it, because i'm pretty sure quite a few of them put money into the governments pockets

 

[jwlim80]

I am curious what the loli actresses would do if this occurs, getting there lively hood destroyd over something they can't control, what would studios do market them as little people or something?

There's always them being PPV camgirls on FC2 and going into Fuzouku.

 

[ding73ding]

I am curious what the loli actresses would do if this occurs, getting there lively hood destroyd over something they can't control, what would studios do market them as little people or something?

but yeah if any of this stuff happens it won't just affect the AV world, there's a lot of questionable stuff in the mainstream will be curious to see how the people who make money off that kind of stuff deal with it, because i'm pretty sure quite a few of them put money into the governments pockets

The average career lifespan is under 12 months (my guess) so if (a BIG if) one day we wake up to the news that all loli AV is banned, I think the performers won't take long to adjust.
at least some of them can transform themselves into mainstream AV with just make-up, hairdo, and fashion, and maybe switch to a more grown-up voice/tone when speaking in commercial venue. A few more may choose cosmetic surgery or boob job.

The people who are really going to hurt are the studios/agencies who are in that genre for the long term. But I don't think the number is huge, probably a few hundred men. Won't be enough to make any noise.

Anyway I think the biggest hit will be the 2D world: manga, games, online stuffs. I don't how many manga artists have invested 10+ years to draw little girls in lewd activities. If the authority take that away, can they adjust? If it happens I won't be surprise if more than 1 person takes it to the extreme end (suicide). With human performer you could have them show their ID card and say at least legally she's adult (who looks like 14). But on 2D if someone draw a girl who looks like she's 8 years old getting DP, you can't say well actually she's 21 years old, that won't fly in any court.

 

[jwlim80]

Child porn may have been outlawed in Japan since 2014. But Comics LO which depicts shorts featuring young girls engaging in sex remains in circulation.

Also there was an imitation crime early last summer and the illustrator gets off with a light caution :-

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/ne...y-claims-he-was-imitating-dojin-manga/.117488

So I do not forsee any drastic measure aganist fictitious depiction of minor engaging in sex in the near future.

 

[capsulecor]

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[paparoach408]

the more the numbers go up. The more pre-planned material is released. I bet it will teeter on 9,999 right before the cut-off and they will release some nudes or hardcore-fucking clip and magically this movie will get funded.

I do believe she is selling well but this whole campaign is a gimmick. SOD has some crafty people in marketing.

Not a bad gimmick and probably a very good test, let fan support decide when someone debuts. Regardless she’ll debut you won’t just bring a girl in and do all this just to tell her bye, it’s just all about when

 

[Inertia]

No way in hell she doesn't already have a video(s) filmed. No woman's going to put her face out in this industry just to test the waters. It's a cool campaign for sure, but just like most censored creampie, I wouldn't count on it being authentic.