Western Porn Bringing JAV to Mind, and How Well They Succeed

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jugulear

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We are not allowed to speak about Western porn at Akiba-Online, unless it's in relation to JAV. That is the emphasis of this thread.

Three years ago, I wrote (and it was such fun):

JAV = 1, U.S. PORN = 0

I began:

"...I’m a stickler for 'reality,' as silly as that may sound, given that most porn movie situations can’t happen in real life. Perhaps this is all the more reason to maintain the 'story' illusion (even when the story is steeped in gonzo) as carefully as possible, to allow viewers to lose themselves in the fantasy."

JAV covers a lot of ground (for example, the wildly imaginative or crazy ROCKET scenarios are of the kind that would not easily be found in Western porn), but the primary attraction for me was this sense of "reality."

I like JAVs with some bite. There is a lot of bite in Western porn (and by "Western," I primarily mean American; some European porn is more successful, in this regard, as well as being JAVvier in general), but... they just can't get it right.

(Most of the bite comes in non-story situations, the gonzo style porn where the men act as brutes, and the women are often anal-ized. That's not the kind of bite I'm talking about.)

One of the few ways they get it kind of right are in the output that one may find in sites such as "Clips4sale," that is, made by the tinier operations... such as some produced by "Primal Fetish" or "Taboo by Primal." For example, there was one I caught recently from the "Spankbang" tube site that was entitled, Beautiful Mom Trapped in Her Own Home, starring Cherie Deville... it was fairly JAVvy. I guess the big studio variety is afraid of arbitrary obscenity prosecutions, and that's why we get a lot of stupid American porn where the women throw themselves at the men. (That's one possibility for the cause, anyway; the other is that the porn-makers are untalented, or idiots.)

Anyway, I came across one that sounded refreshingly, and promisingly, JAV-worthy:

I Blackmailed My Stepmom

(Starring Alexis Fawx, Olivia Austine, India Summer, Cherie DeVille, Dava Fox and Mercedes Carrera.)

The "blackmail" gimmick (a very common staple in story-oriented damsel-in-distress JAV) is rare in American porn, not to say this element is not utilized now and then. Whenever it is utilized, you can almost count on the turn to stupidity, with women quick to throw themselves at the men.

When I ran into this title, I thought, FINALLY! They made a point of the "getting the woman over a barrel" notion, and even if they get the execution wrong, how wrong can they get it? So I downloaded the movie...

... And now I've got to tell you just how close it came to reminding us of JAV.

I just dug up the cover now, as I'm writing this... to offer you a little pictorial relief:

Blackmailed My Stepmom.jpg

Holy COW! If I had seen this cover earlier, I may never have sought this movie out.

The movie is from EVIL ANGEL (their description page for this movie, released only a week ago), which is actually not a bad thing, as this studio sometimes tries harder. Yet what does that cover tell us? The main attraction are the two blondes, one with the obvious balloon breasts (groan), and they are sporting happy-go-lucky smiles, giving the idea there is not going to be any grit, whatsoever... and the odds are, this is going to be just another stupid American porno.

(Yeah, we get the two shots at the bottom of the front cover, where the actresses are feigning outrage and surprise... but I don't buy genuineness in either case. Can these phonies make it any easier to let us know, Hey, people! This is all for laughs.)

As with the cover, after the fact, I am reading the "plot" descriptions, and one of them goes:

"Buddy Hollywood discovers porn video of his bodacious stepmom, busty, big-assed blonde Olivia Austin. He whips it out to jack, but the shocked stepmom catches him in the act. The shameless guy aggressively blackmails the blue-eyed, puffy-lipped slut into blowing his big boner. More flattered than shocked, she goes down for a long, wet, filthy-talking hand job/blow job."

"More flattered than shocked" ?? You mean... it's going to take three seconds, rather then two, before she throws herself at him?

Well... it is American porn, and that means we must accept some stupidity, and hope for some nuggets of effectiveness among all of the stupidity. But this movie turned out to be... absolutely outrageous.

You know how the filmmaker handled this affair? After the predictable "throwing themselves at the men" in three seconds, the actresses looked into the camera and directed their porn patter, as though the viewers were right there!

Blackmailed My Stepmom pic.jpg

(I could not watch carefully, as I felt too disgusted, but only in the India Summer POV segment did it seem she was speaking to her stepson, rather than directly to the viewer.)

So they not only "broke the fourth wall," which is a no-no in movies (we only see this happening with rare comedies), but they went out of their way to kill any sense of reality, whatsoever.

I don't know who this "Kevin Moore" is, except that EVIL ANGEL must regard him as a hot commodity, given the way they splashed his name on the cover, as though he must be some Alfred Hitchcock... but whoever he is, he presents the greatest argument for bringing back tarring and feathering.

What does this say? Do American porn-makers really have this much disdain and disrespect toward the intelligence of their patrons? (And pirates?) Or are most porn-viewers hopelessly retarded (oops! You can tell I'm upset, for using what is now such a politically incorrect word), that they actually enjoy and even prefer this sort of thing? (I fear that may actually be more the case... sigh.)

Another movie came up with the keyword "blackmail," and that was for The Stepmother 9, from 2012. I happen to like the sexy main star, Kimberly Kane, so that was another reason to take a stab at what was sure to be another disappointment. In this movie's favor, the outfit behind it ("Sweet Sinner") at least went for "real movie" production values (as we may expect with many JAVs), and made an attempt to tackle the story seriously.

So when the stepson discovers his father's fiancée had a salacious past, Kimberly is the one who goes into attack mode, crying, "Fuck you! What do you want, money? You want me to fuck you now?" (oh! Good of you to bring that option up, Kimberly), to which the "kid" replies, "Nooo... I just wanted the truth. That's it. Just the truth." Kimberly then takes complete command of the situation by saying, "Don't you walk away from me. I'm going to tell you what you're going to do..."

Stepmother 9 Kimberly Kane.jpg

I'll give you one guess as to how many seconds it takes after that before she throws herself at him.


Maybe you are aware of examples of Western or American porn that made you think... hey. This came across sorta like JAV; whaddayaknow.

Or is it hopeless.



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EroMura777

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I think that the main difference in audience between Western porn and Japanese porn is that Western audience (from what I read in other forums, such as AdultDVD Talk) wants is perfect actors, muscular, with big dicks and actresses that look "hot", even looking clearly fake from head to toe, that refers to the viewer when speaking, maybe it is that Western audience has a big image of themselves, who knows. Japanese audience, from what I gather watching JAV, wants actors that look more like average, as if it was easier for them to put in the role of him. Of course there are big dicks in JAV, but I think they're not too mainstream yet. And actresses that look more natural, you know, that "girl next door" aura.
 

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Western porn plays up to the female audience as well, maybe or probably more so than JAV would, so, the guys have to look attractive to the ladies. How else can a fella convince his girl to watch porn with him? :D
 
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paparoach408

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Western porn plays up to the female audience as well, maybe or probably more so than JAV would, so, the guys have to look attractive to the ladies. How else can a fella convince his girl to watch porn with him? :D
Silk Labo exist!
 

Ghostbird

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I think that the main difference in audience between Western porn and Japanese porn is that Western audience (from what I read in other forums, such as AdultDVD Talk) wants is perfect actors, muscular, with big dicks

I haven't watched western porn, but all I can think of is Ron Jeremy who is very much out of shape (reminds me alot of Danny DeVito).
 
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EroMura777

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I'm not an expert on the topic but I think Ron Jeremy is long term retired. Not only this but also, for this only actor you quote I can name some like: Danny Mountain, Erik Everhard or Steve Homes for example, who are quite fit with big dicks, Johnny Sins who mostly works for Brazzers may fit into this category, but other who also work for Brazzers like Danny D or Jessy Jones who maybe don't look as good, but have really big dicks. What I'm trying to say is that in Western porn having more "casual looking" actors is not so mainstream, and I'm trying to relate this to the likes and dislikes of the audience.
 

Ghostbird

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I'm not an expert on the topic but I think Ron Jeremy is long term retired. Not only this but also, for this only actor you quote I can name some like: Danny Mountain, Erik Everhard or Steve Homes for example, who are quite fit with big dicks, Johnny Sins who mostly works for Brazzers may fit into this category, but other who also work for Brazzers like Danny D or Jessy Jones who maybe don't look as good, but have really big dicks. What I'm trying to say is that in Western porn having more "casual looking" actors is not so mainstream, and I'm trying to relate this to the likes and dislikes of the audience.

I never disagreed that they have massive dicks because I already know that Ron Jeremy has one and if I'm not misstaken Keiran Lee is close to 30cm and got it insured for 1 million $.

I also did a google image search on the names that you provided, I expected some contest lean muscular "six pack guys who you can see in U.S. American and European porn" who looks like the fake nattys on youtube

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Erik Everhard was the most impressive but there are also a handful of muscular guys in JAV like this savage

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Supmop

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Maybe you are aware of examples of Western or American porn that made you think... hey. This came across sorta like JAV; whaddayaknow.

good thread, now we have a place to discuss the difference in JAV vs western porn :top:

JAV have original invention that has been used / copied by western porn : bukakke

and if you guys have watched Fuck Team 5 from BangBros, I think its has similiar theme with JAV, "reality show" that bring pro porn girls to visit "fans / amateurs" and fuck them
 
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Supmop

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Western porn plays up to the female audience as well, maybe or probably more so than JAV would, so, the guys have to look attractive to the ladies. How else can a fella convince his girl to watch porn with him? :D

yes, western porn serve for female audiences too

most of the reason I heard girls refused to watch JAV they said because the male performers unattractive, and maybe most of us don't realize this, but from my personal research I heard directly from females (friends, ex girlfriends, fuck buddies) : they don't like JAV moanings too, they said its fake and disturbing
 
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paparoach408

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JAV - Western
Monthly dvd release - scenes released online, then dvd eventually
r***, and creampies most popular - Anal, DP, and IR most popular themes
Contract girls rule the industry - Contract stars used to rule, but now there are very few
Censorship - uncensored
Story Driven - More driven by the specific acts in the film
Major Emphasis on the girl - Emphasis on both male, and women
Girls are more submissive/Passive - Girls are more agressive

Fun question why do you prefer Jav over the other? and what are the western equivalent of certain jav performers?
Like for example
Lucie Wilde is the Hitomi Tanaka of western porn, Big boobs but pretty lackluster performers
LucieWildeBustyOutlawDDF3.jpg hitomi-tanaka-05-26.jpg
 
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paparoach408

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yes, western porn serve for female audiences too

most of the reason I heard girls refused to watch JAV they said because the male performers unattractive, and maybe most of us don't realize this, but from my personal research I heard directly from females (friends, ex girlfriends, fuck buddies) : they don't like JAV moanings too, they said its fake and disturbing
Majority of the guys in jav are faceless, unless you go to the rapey stuff, But Silk Labo has been getting hotter guys in, and focusing on the female audience for a few years now
 

Supmop

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Silk Labo exist!

yes, but do we know other studio like Silk Labo ?
JAV still lack "porn for her", male preferences are still very dominant

and most Silk Labo male performaces are pretty boy type
so its not suitable for females who prefer hot stud type
 

Supmop

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JAV - Western
Monthly dvd release - scenes released online, then dvd eventually
r***, and creampies most popular - Anal, DP, and IR most popular themes
Contract girls rule the industry - Contract stars used to rule, but now there are very few
Censorship - uncensored
Story Driven - More driven by the specific acts in the film
Major Emphasis on the girl - Emphasis on both male, and women
Girls are more submissive/Passive - Girls are more agressive

Fun question why do you prefer Jav over the other? and what are the western equivalent of certain jav performers?
Like for example
Lucie Wilde is the Hitomi Tanaka of western porn, Big boobs but pretty lackluster performers
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I don't understand what you mean by Contract girls rule the industry ?

my reason I prefer JAV because I'm asian living in asia, so japanese are close to my race and neighbourhood, most JAV female performers are look natural, and their sex durations are natural too
 

paparoach408

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yes, but do we know other studio like Silk Labo ?
JAV still lack "porn for her", male preferences are still very dominant

and most Silk Labo male performaces are pretty boy type
so its not suitable for females who prefer hot stud type
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It's a start, but i don't ever think Jav will go full on, hot guys only, in its whole existence it has never been an industry based on that
 

Supmop

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Majority of the guys in jav are faceless, unless you go to the rapey stuff, But Silk Labo has been getting hotter guys in, and focusing on the female audience for a few years now

yes I agree Silk Labo can bring female audiences with their good looking guys and more romantic sex

but overall compare to american, I think JAV still lack of porn who direct by female using female's perspective
 

paparoach408

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I don't understand what you mean by Contract girls rule the industry ?

my reason I prefer JAV because I'm asian living in asia, so japanese are close to my race and neighbourhood, most JAV female performers are look natural, and their sex durations are natural too

top companies S1S1,SOD,Maxing, etc are contract girl heavy, and the majority of the "Stars" over the years have been contract girls
 

Supmop

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It's a start, but i don't ever think Jav will go full on, hot guys only, in its whole existence it has never been an industry based on that

thats what I called pretty boy

not all womens like that type, many of them prefer more bulk, muscular body that give more strong image

top companies S1S1,SOD,Maxing, etc are contract girl heavy, and the majority of the "Stars" over the years have been contract girls

thanks for your asnwer, I agree with that
 
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paparoach408

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thats what I called pretty boy

not all womens like that type, many of them prefer more bulk, muscular body that give more strong image
i personally think those guys posted are more "Stud" then pretty boy, Silk Labo has a bunch of pretty boys but yeah it probably won't ever happen a majority stud only male talent pool, Attackers, DASD, and maybe even Moodyz would die unless they gave up stories and went full Gonzo
 
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Supmop

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i personally think those guys posted are more "Stud" then pretty boy, Silk Labo has a bunch of pretty boys but yeah it probably won't ever happen a majority stud only male talent pool, Attackers, DASD, and maybe even Moodyz would die unless they gave up stories and went full Gonzo

I can't say much about stud :D

my opinions here are based from what I head from females that I know, some of them are like pretty boys, but some others dislike japanese male performers, they prefer Private's studs, including one of my ex

yes I agree, the future of the porn might be full gonzo
 

paparoach408

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I can't say much about stud :D

my opinions here are based from what I head from females that I know, some of them are like pretty boys, but some others dislike japanese male performers, they prefer Private's studs, including one of my ex

yes I agree, the future of the porn might be full gonzo

I really hope not, it's a good reason why i'm fine with keeping Mosaic because it forces studios to not go generic(like majority of the uncensored work)