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Uncensored jav and censored jav

Discussion in 'JAV Discussion' started by Charming69, Jan 14, 2016.

  1. Supmop

    Supmop Akiba Citizen

    thank you very much for your reply :)

    I've further questions, so is it legal if foreign company to shoot AV in Japan and use Japanese talents, and then distributing it as uncenssored outside japan ?

    and how about if censsored studio selling their raw materials to other companies that re release those movies as uncenssored ? are this legal ?
     
  2. Inertia

    Inertia Akiba Citizen

    "so is it legal if foreign company to shoot AV in Japan and use Japanese talents, and then distributing it as uncenssored outside japan ?"

    Sure, providing it's legal wherever that foreign company is incorporated. This is how pretty much all uncensored AV nowadays is sold.

    "how about if censsored studio selling their raw materials to other companies that re release those movies as uncenssored ? are this legal ?"

    The distribution aspect of it is illegal. How are the movies transferred? Obviously, the chances here being caught are slim, but if the original contract says the movies will only be sold in Japan and the studio goes ahead and sells it internationally...
     
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  3. Supmop

    Supmop Akiba Citizen

    thank you very much for your explonation :)

    I'm a bit curios when foreign label release uncenssored movies that originally was censsored JAV, seems its legal if not breaking the contract, or the owner of those movies right give permission to re release it and selling it outside Japan ?
     
  4. Inertia

    Inertia Akiba Citizen

    Supmop: that's a good question. I know it's happened, but I don't know the consequences.
     
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  5. Supmop

    Supmop Akiba Citizen

    thank you very much for all your answers here Inertia, helpful information for me :)
     
  6. ding73ding

    ding73ding Akiba Citizen

    This is my umpteenth attempt to get a sustaining thread going for the purpose of sharing any good uncensored vids.

    I choose to do with this somewhere recent thread that began not as what I wanted but at least discussed some quality/artistic issues. And then the thread drifted towards legal and when all the questions were asked and answers given, the thread went cold.

    Let me try to repurpose this....

    I could go on and on write 10 thousand words on uncensored JAV if I don't stop myself... So let me just stop before I began and try to contribute something in line what I hope a sustained thread on... (I already got myself into a word-tangle there).

    My contribution: a (somewhat) recent vid that's very very not bad.

    TH-n1132.
    Tokyo Hot n1132, To(kyo)-Hot Grand Orgy 2015, part 4. Released on 2016.3.8, 1 hour 45 mins.

    Tokyo Hot has been doing a grand orgy series of vids for at least as far back as 2010. Always(?) it's released in parts near the end of the year, and here part 4 for the 2015 edition is release quite late into 2016, curiously.

    These grand orgy affairs aren't always the greatest vids on Earth, I never made it a point to download each year's edition, but when I chanced on the above "cover", a few things caught my eyes and I downloaded it and eventually collected all 4 parts. Now let's be clear. If you download all four parts you will be at least a bit disappointed. Each part contain quite a lot of overlap (identical scenes) with other parts. Only Part 1 truly feel original and fresh (duh). But ... download is cheap so maybe one would download all of it anyway...

    No, not quite. Part 2 is truly disposable. It's the most disappointing part. It's two long scene with one girl each receiving molestation or sex from 2 or more guys. How can you advertise it as GRAND Orgy with two one-girl-at-a-time, scenes?

    Anyway, let's talk about the good bits for the other 3 parts.

    1. girls: not hot. I'd say faces are between 6.5 to 8. Figures are about 7 to 8.5 (out of 10). The tits are pretty small, not scoring a lot of points from me. But the overall figures and face are attractive enough. Young moderately attractively girls. Not as hot as I wish, but above average for the typical uncensored JAV performers. Many of them are fat, ugly or old, or even, fat and ugly and old. Ouch! Usually I prefer big tits, but small tits have their charms too. BUT not always, in Asian women with sub-B-cup tits, let me tell you (with plenty of JAV support evidence) even if you love small tits, there are plenty of unattractive or ugly, saggy A-tits. These four girls, ok not busty, not hot, but very much quality as having pretty tits. I don't know how to explain it, but these four figures just get me excited. The butts are quite decent, not too bony, not saggy. and with good skin. The pussies.... ahh the pussies are worth the ticket price., they are quite pretty pussies, and the four girls are not at all identical either, each is somewhat distinct in face, tits and pussy and yet the four are a credible team.

    2. Sex. Unlike many (boring) uncensored JAV, but common with other multi-performers (counting girls only) JAV, there's quite a variety of sex acts on show here. But after 4 parts, it's slightly predictable: lesbian show (not truly lesbian sex, but girls doing sexual things to each other for the entertainment of, and under the guidance of, off-camera males), molestation (typically 2 or 3 guys fingering a girl's pussy and posing her in all kinds of humiliating positions), orgy (at some point, a MFMFMMFMMF for a 6M4F sex scene), fan-gang-bang (a very large number of fully hooded males, look like real amateur fans, take turn making sperm in or on one of the four girls pussy). Not everything is great, the fan-gang-bang is pretty sad actually, it's mostly for shock value rather than a fap-aid. The best scenes are the orgy scenes (but sadly the cocks are somewhat underwhelming). The rest of the sex scenes, well it's uncensored, can't be that bad! There's a bit of pissing too... Well they try to sell it as orgasmic squirting, but looks to me like these girls don't know how to squirt and are making piss to fake it.

    3. The non-sex. Unlike many uncensored JAV which are all-sex, there's quite a bit of non-sex (short) scenes. Firstly the costumes, which is a big factor catching my eyes: the colorful semi-Sailor Moon-like costumes. There are two sets: one like a princess-cross-fairies, another more like a hyper-sexy variation Sailor Moon uniform but with hot hot pants (is it called boomers in Japan?) instead of mini-skirt. Watching them getting ready for the sex and generally laughing chatting and fooling around in these costumes (at location at the famous "Pool") well for me that's one super excellent foreplay. There's also the most risque games: in the fairies costume but with the panty removed, play a game of Twisters, and the loser is punished by the other three girls with various vibrators. Other activities including a photo session (with plenty of upskirt shots) and the girls performing or practicing some posing or simple dance moves as if they were an idol group like AKB48. (both sets of costume and the "Pool" are visible in the pic above).

    The best parts are the orgy scenes and non-sex scenes. The girls are not as hot as I like, but very watchable. The fact that they are happy and sunny helps a lot. The fan-gang-bang scene is a big fail, partly because the girls really hated it.
     
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  7. Supmop

    Supmop Akiba Citizen

    still not much orgy in uncenssored JAV, tokyo hot is one of the best or maybe is the best, its good finally someone in this thread mentioned about ucenssored orgy :)

    some of the special orgy editions only 2 and 3 parts ?

    I've collect their special edition, for my personal taste I prefer the previous editions :

    2007 with Risako Konno, Risa Murakami, Ai Tanaka
    Tokyo Hot n0242 THE R.Q. 2007 Part1 – Megumi Ishikawa, Risako Mamiya, Ai Tanaka, Mariko Kondo. Tokyo Hot n0244 THE R.Q. 2007 Part2 – Megumi Ishikawa, Risako Mamiya, Ai Tanaka, Mariko Kondo. Tokyo Hot n0246 THE R.Q. 2007 Part3 – Megumi Ishikawa, Risako Mamiya, Ai Tanaka, Mariko Kondo.

    2010 with Satomi Suzuki and Kotomi Asakura
    Tokyo Hot n0600 – Special 2010 Part1. Tokyo Hot n0602 – Special 2010 Part2.

    2012 with Aika and Kurea Asuka
    Tokyo Hot n0809 2012 SP Part 2 – Aika, Makiko Tamaru, Mako Nagase, Kurea Asuka. Tokyo Hot n0808 2012 SP Part 1 – Aika, Makiko Tamaru, Mako Nagase, Kurea Asuka.

    2013 with Seira Ichijou, Misa Osaki, Mai Takizawa, Yuna Shiratori (I like the all 4 girls)
    Tokyo Hot n0912 2013 SP Part-1 – Mai, Mika, Naomi, Reiko, Mary. Tokyo Hot n0914 2013 SP Part-2 – Mai, Mika, Naomi, Reiko, Mary. Tokyo Hot n0915 2013 SP Part-3 – Mai, Mika, Naomi, Reiko, Mary.


    my personal opinion so far the 2013 edition still the best, hope the next special editions will be awesome again
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2016
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  8. Censored JAV movies are great, the stories are interesting, the actresses young, good camera work... but the AWFUL pixelated censoring crap just gets annoying, they might as well wear underwear as some censoring is so blocky it's bad, I hope they change the law and get rid of this censoring thingy.
    On the other hand uncensored movies lack a story, nearly all the ones I have seen is just fucking, no plot whatsoever... only redeeming quality being that at least you can see pussy which is what I want to see and they are better than the awful American porn movies, which are SO fake.
     
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  9. Fisheraaa

    Fisheraaa Active Member

    The video quality of uncensored is also superb. Even blu ray censored looks bad compared to 2gb hd uncensored scene.
     
  10. Inertia

    Inertia Akiba Citizen

    Fisheraaa: I've always found most uncensored (and we're talking the ones with famous actresses here) to literally lack a lot of polish. The lighting is really harsh and the picture looks almost too sharp at times. Even if you compare HD releases from an uncensored title vs a censored one, the censored often looks a lot better. There's obviously a lot of variables such as who filmed it and what-not.

    Lighting's a big issue: uncensored seems to be all about using the harshest lighting on earth on can possibly muster whereas I've seen HD censored releases that go for natural lighting making everything look much more dream-like and erotic versus outright sexual.

    It doesn't help that right now most uncensored is still being produced by a small number of players so you'll see a lot more of the same filming techniques used (same cameras, lighting, post-production, etc.).
     
  11. pikuseru

    pikuseru Well-Known Member

    Uncensored JAV usually is not interesting as censored JAV: girls not as beautiful, lower production values...

    I watched Yui Hatano bukkaked uncensored. It made me realize that I miss watching uncensored. But uncensored JAV of that quality with bukkake and a girl like Yui Hatano seems very rare.
     
  12. ding73ding

    ding73ding Akiba Citizen

    Yes I hear both of you. I wonder if it's a generation gap thing... At least a bit of it. Like the older folks who prefer B&W photography to color photography. I can absolutely say for sure I dislike the new generation Hollywood films with too-sharp visuals and over-dramatic actions. Like... Superman can punch Batman through 3 concrete walls, but I don't feel the hurt as when Apollo Creed punch Rocky (1976).

    But the young kids probably think the old school as snore-inducing.

    Again, partly it may be cultural? The typical customer of censored JAV is more mainstream, conservative? Uncensored customers maybe younger, more daring, buying (only the paying customers count) something that's at best legal gray area? And maybe they demands these stark, harsh visual styles? Maybe they have no appreciation for the erotic as you put it.

    Partly, at least, there's a real problem (not just us oldtimers don't appreciate the new cultural trend) with uncensored, because of the illegal status of uncensored, the anatomy of the penis and vagina becomes the Center of Universe of some Holy Grail of the whole vid. It's also possible the typical customer being younger (willing to buy gray market vids) they may have less real life sexual experience (cherry boys) and not having seen many pussies, the anatomy takes over from the sex and erotics.

    And yes, with so few producers (I am not even sure the different labels are all that independent of each other), it's very predictable and repetitive.

    In general, I am with you, @Inertia sometimes uncensored JAV is even worse than you described, worse than merely "outright sexual". Some times, it reminds me of farmers using some ghastly contraption to get sperm out of a bull and inject it into a cow. Yes technical it's sex, but watching it can actually reduce my desire for sex.

    BUT... it's precisely because the typical uncensored JAV is so non-good that I hope to address the problem with this thread. The good ones are out there but too too rare. I don't want to download and check out 30, 50, 100 uncensored vids to find that one worth watching and keeping. If any of us happens to find a good one, or even just a not-bad one, it's nice to share here.
     
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  13. Inertia

    Inertia Akiba Citizen

    Good post ding73ding.

    A huge amount of uncensored AV is produced by DTI (Dreamroom). There's a few other players like Tokyo-Hot, Tsunami Cash's sites, and perhaps a few more that I can't name off the top of my head, but that's it really. You then have to compare that to the 100+ active studios in Japan (and this 100+ figure is grouping the ones owned by DMM/SOD together otherwise it'd be closer to a 1000 give or take!). There's so many more people in the country producing AV with mosaic so as a fan of it, you get a lot more variance.

    My critique of uncensored isn't meant to be an outright negative. Obviously it's working well enough for Dreamroom not to change their act and at the end of the day, if the titles are selling well, then leave the formula alone.

    Lastly, I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure the law in Japan is distributing uncensored is illegal. Simply viewing it isn't so it may be less of a generational gap with youngins preferring no mosaic, but more of just the same fans who prefer mosaic also wanting to see what their favorite actresses look like it without.
     
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  14. Supmop

    Supmop Akiba Citizen

    I think the same too

    maybe I've lower standart

    usually before I download, I check the screen caps first, if I like it I download it, and I oftenly don't get dissapointed with the movies

    and I think those tokyo hot movies that I posted above is good, maybe I'll add more of uncenssored JAV that I like later
     
    Last edited: Apr 14, 2016
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  15. ding73ding

    ding73ding Akiba Citizen

    Well I am not convinced by @Supmop that Tokyo Hot is the best label for orgy. And... I'm not even pitching a great vid here, but one that's on hand right now it's another not-bad vid.

    DSAM-50 Paipan Creampie Circle. Carib-081213-404.

    DSAM-50 Paipan Paipan Creampie Circle (2013-12-14, 125 mins, SD)
    Caribbean 081213-404 Paipan Paipan Creampie Circle (2013-8-12, 70 mins, HD)

    DSAM-50 consists of 2 scenes with 4 girls each. 4 is a magical number, 2 or 3 girls is great too, but 4 girls, that's GRAND. But more than 4, it's too chaotic, too crowded, for the screen. Imagine for any one of the guys, at any moment, there's one (A) or preferably two girls (A and B) having sex with you right now, with a third girl (C) not directly involved, but within arm's reach, either you could reach and molest C without losing A and B, or if you wish, switch C for B, or do a rotation, send A away, put B into A's position, and make C your new secondary. Ok that's awesome, but that's awesome for 5 minutes, maybe 10 at most, maybe it's nice to have a little break, get a drink of juice or beer, or wipe off some bodily fluid (hygiene's always a bit of concern in group sex) so it's great to have the 4th (D) for a new combination. 4, a magic number.

    Sorry why do I get into a digression about orgy?

    Anyway... scene 1, the girls' quality are a bit uneven, not terrible, but not hot for sure. The tits are kind of smallish, one girl with a larger bust size unfortunately has "thick bones".

    But the sex was pretty good. I don't quite know the premise of the scene, but there was a well paced introduction, let's get to know each other a little, oh enjoy this wine to relax yourself (and your thighs, hopefully), and then kissing, groping and undressing. Uncensored vids typical has too little foreplay, a lot of censored vids has (WAY) too much foreplay. This scene's foreplay is just right.

    Overall, not great, but not bad. I can't emphasize enough, a not bad scene with not-so-hot girls doing some honest fucking and sucking WITHOUT mosaic. Happy!

    Scene 2, was already released as 081213-404. It's arguably the better scene (so you may choose to get only the HD Carib version). The girls are a slight improvement over scene 1. Almost young and cute enough to be loli. (remember I'm no loli fan) One of the girls has an ugly face actually, but she's tall and slender, so just keep your eye level down :p The other 3 girls... quite passable.

    The scene begins with some polite introduction Now... what does paipan mean? Shaved pussy right? Finally we get to the topic. An off-camera male (producer/director?) explains what the game is and after some polite "you first" "no, no, you first" we begin to examine the pussies, one by one. Oops the tall girl isn't paipan! So the gang (4 girls and 3 guys) get to work, carefully and deliberately give her the paipan treatment. (overthinking it: it's good that only one girl needs the shaving on-screen, repeating the same treatment four times, that's getting too long and boring) I am not a fan of such things but it's quite the perfect topic for uncensored vids. The girls and guys chitchat and interaction in this whole pre-sex scene is quite excellent foreplay.

    Then... unhurriedly, the girls get cunnilingus from the guys, finger fuck, pussy play, fellatio and finally group fuck with internal finishes. A lot of close up of shaved pussies, but it feels very raunchy and debauched not anatomical.

    As mentioned the girls aren't hot, per se, but youth is a plus. Overall it's a pleasure to watch.
     
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  16. Supmop

    Supmop Akiba Citizen

    well I don't see other uncenssord label that has many orgy videos like Tokyo Hot, do you ? I'm not saying quality here, coz I know I still can't ask much from the uncenssored production

    talking more about uncenssored JAV that like, outside from TH I like this one, its unique swinger & MMFF action between caucasian female and male with japanese male & female, hope they will make more interracial ucenssored like this

    Marica in Europe - Gena, Marica.

    I agree with this
     
  17. Supmop

    Supmop Akiba Citizen

    and this one has great female casts, pretty sexy uncenssored all stars but with some unattractive males

    Kamikaze Premium Vol 44 – Hikaru Houzuki, Kana, Maki, Runa.


    I remember this movie are join production with another uncenssored label, that released another movie with different title (same female casts, same place but with some different scenes and same scene but from different camera), but I still can't found it
     
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  18. chrisfallout

    chrisfallout Member

    if uncensored films did have good storyline more people would go out way to get it. but since not allowed in japan they do basic story where just meet to have sex with no story need since its only 1hr so just like have sex at home or meet up sex or meet up gang bang or showing girl get caught and having gang bang.
     
  19. Blade Runner

    Blade Runner Well-Known Member

    +1 Runa Sezaki
     
  20. Inertia

    Inertia Akiba Citizen

    chrisfallout: sex sells plain and simple. Filming pure sex = most chance for a title to sell big. Factor this with the fact that uncensored AV costs a lot more to shoot since actresses are paid much more means uncensored studios can't afford to take as much risk. I'm sure this annoys JAV enthusiasts to no end, but that's just the way it is.
     
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