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These are some of the things she has said recently:
"Come to think of it, in today's shoot, as a psychopath I thought, "Do I have a bad mind?" To finally be able to say that clearly is a radiant feeling."
"I hate hate hate myself"
"I want to go back to depression. I want to go back to depression. I want to go back to depression."
"Since I suck at talking I want to have painful sex!"
Among many other things...just a little weird to me lol.
Fucked up if true, but they don't call me not-so-easily-convinced Hans for nothing. Can you post links to those exact tweets? At least the depression tweet should be three times the same sentence in the original as well.
wow, that sounds like a real case of the crazy's. but i think most if not all the jav stars i really like are in a state of depression at the very least and in a full blown nervous breakdown at the most. we gokkun lovers can't forget that those girls are real people and that most are not in a good place mentally. now you can just not care like me but Shizuka Kanno has been doing gokkun and bdsm work for most of her adult life. that's not the sign of a healthy mind.
there is a lot of self hate going on in porn. self hate is what drives the women we say we love to do the things they do. self hate and money. we can't talk about jav or any part of it without also talking about the fact that lots of these women kill themselves and many go on to live empty and meaningless lives. you want your crazy 150 loads swallowed vids? want your bdsm/fuck a bitch half to death vids? you have to be ok with the fact that, that kind of shit breaks people or attracts people that are already kinda broken and breaks them more. if you ever do shit like gokkun and bdsm IRL then you know the type of girls that are drawn to it. the poor lost souls i've fucked up because they had no sense of self. what fun i had! but you know, them's the breaks.
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If you ever look at her upper arms you can see a ton of scars from where she cut herself.
It's kind of terrible but the best girls sexually are often pretty fucked up.
Best sex I ever had was with a girl who was sexually abused by multiple family members.
She was completely crazy and talked in a little girl voice all the time, but the sex with her was just on another level and she didn't say no to anything. It was all about me when we were having sex.
I started to feel like a terrible person though taking advantage of her like I did and she did insane shit like pee all over my bedroom when she was mad at me. Thank God for wood floors instead of carpet. Anyway, it became apparent that I needed to get out before she had a psychotic break or something and tried to kill me.
The breakup did not go well but she finally latched onto a new guy who's probably loving every second until she slits his throat in the middle of the night.
Best sex I ever had was with a girl who was sexually abused by multiple family members.
She was completely crazy and talked in a little girl voice all the time, but the sex with her was just on another level and she didn't say no to anything. It was all about me when we were having sex.
I started to feel like a terrible person though taking advantage of her like I did and she did insane shit like pee all over my bedroom when she was mad at me. Thank God for wood floors instead of carpet. Anyway, it became apparent that I needed to get out before she had a psychotic break or something and tried to kill me.
The breakup did not go well but she finally latched onto a new guy who's probably loving every second until she slits his throat in the middle of the night.
Oh, that's right, I always noticed those back in the day but thought those were marks left from a rope-play shoot. They are just in the right position to come from that.
I still gotta ask of you to link to the original tweets were she said those things. It's not that I don't trust you, it's the fact that samurai79 kicked off this discussion and he's kinda prone to giving his JAV girls cutesy, derogative nicknames, so if he's like "This cum whore is mentally ill", my first instinct is to get suspicious, lol.
Most of her tweets just look like "Here's me for today's shoot!".
A girl who chooses a career having sex for money are probably not paragon of normalcy and good mental health. A really beautiful girl like Shizuka Kanno swallowing a hundred cumshots from different men in a single video is even more unusual, and she has done several of these videos now.
Last week I downloaded MIGD-354 because I saw it on the previous page of this thread. Also downloaded MIGD-380 last month. These girls really don't seem normal. The girl in MIGD-380 especially. Even without the scars on her arms, you can see clearly in her face that she was suffering a lot inside. That seems to be too common in these mass gokkun movies. I haven't noticed it in other types of JAV.
Last week I downloaded MIGD-354 because I saw it on the previous page of this thread. Also downloaded MIGD-380 last month. These girls really don't seem normal. The girl in MIGD-380 especially. Even without the scars on her arms, you can see clearly in her face that she was suffering a lot inside. That seems to be too common in these mass gokkun movies. I haven't noticed it in other types of JAV.
yep, some of the best sex i have ever had was with chicks that something fucked up happened to. one saw her father shot to death right in front of her as a 8 year old kid, another was assfucked by a family member for years and told no one about it. yet another was sexually abused as a kid and wanted me to reenact her r***. all those girls were wild in the sack. they never said no to anything. they just wanted to make me feel good and be of use to me sexually because they hated themselves and felt like no one could or would love them. they were trained from childhood to think that they were only holes to be fucked. that if they did not please men sexually that they were of no use.
it's hard to unlearn that shit if that lil voice in your head is always saying that, replaying the thing that happened. it's even harder if the abuse made you feel good on some level. (many of them told me that they loved it when dad or whoever abuse them and they liked me in part because i was like the person that abused them. that i was only using them as fuckholes and didn't care about them and told them that before during and after sex and they love me for that very reason. that's some scary shit to have more then one person tell you.)
they all were crazy as a june bug and outside of all the piss drinking, cum drinking, ass licking and beatings (man this one girl loved it if a beat her, she told me that the pain reminded her that she was "made to be used and hurt". fucking insane) they were nightmares. just glad i got out without them killing me or themselves when i was around. the people you meet in the bdsm community!
all the really good gokkun, bdsm and loli jav stars all have that look in they're eyes like those girls. empty and lifeless eyes full of lust and pain. you just don't get like that. something happens to make you like that.
one thing i know for sure is that being born a man is lucky as shit. most of the girls i ever fucked going back to high school were abused in someway. broken women seem to be draw to me like fly's man. i know that child abuse is real and it happens all the damn time. porn is like a nesting ground for girls that were abused. sex is all they know.
yes. it's only really prevalent in good gokkun (by good i mean 50 shots swallowed or more), hardcore bdsm and some loli jav. i think it's the pain and humiliation inherent to those acts that draw broken girls to them. you don't see eyes like i talk about in my other post in other types of jav. you also don't see the signs of self harm. MIGD-380 is one of the best gokkun vids of all time, and if you enjoyed that vid you have to come to terms with the idea that you like it in part because she is broken and she is showing you and the world just how broken and low she is. (i know i love that kinda shit) really good gokkun and bdsm (i think that gokkun is a part of bdsm. its pure masochism, what those girls are doing) is a byproduct of mental pain.
thats just what i think but maybe a woman is better suited to say. gokkun to me is masochist in it's very nature. it's a willing worship of the male seed. we all are sadists here whether you like to think so or not. because what we are watching is a outcropping of pain.
feel free to disagree with me on this. i really want to see other points of view about this.
btw this was the kind of deep convo about gokkun i really wanted to have here on AO. i think some of this gets at the true nature of gokkun and why we (or at least i) like it so much.
lorsuperjesus,
I wish I could deny what you wrote. But honestly you honed in on my thoughts pretty well.
I'll admit to not liking myself much when I was with that girl that I mentioned. But it was hot as fuck to abuse her and have her thank me for it.
Nothing quite as thrilling as girl begging you to hurt and degrade her and then having her thank you when you do it. I get hard just remembering it.
Fuck, I'd sometimes just come up with crazy stuff just to see if I could get her to do it and of course I was never dissapointed. In the heat of the moment it was like an adrenaline rush fucking around with her and knowing I could get away with anything but afterwards I'd feel like shit.
And the stories she'd tell were heart breaking, and sexy as fuck at the same time. And she loved to talk about everything that had been done to her. She'd go on and on about how her Dad abused her, and then her Uncle, and then her older brother. Describing all of it in detail. She knew it turned me on, and fuck if it didn't.
And that little girl voice she used. It was irritating as hell most of the time but when I was fucking her it was just so hot. Girls that use that voice know what they're doing.
The experience definitely fed into the types of porn I like too. So I guess she made her mark on me as much as I ever did on her.
The look in these girl's eyes is interesting. I'm not sure I'd quite describe it as "dead". But there's something thrilling about it.
The best part of that first GIF in your posts is the way she looks up and back down and then back up again right after that first slap.
There's a moment of "Oh fuck! What just happened?" followed quickly by this sort of acceptance mixed with shame and maybe a bit of fear.
Like, "Oh yeah... that's what I'm for."
I've always viewed that look as a submissive acceptance of their purpose in life. Not so much dead-ness, as acceptance of purpose that doesn't involve much else but pleasing men however men might want.
Intellectually I don't think that a woman's purpose in life is to be used like that.
But there's a more animal part of me that feels quite differently. I imagine it's somewhat built into us.
In less civilized times for instance there was really nothing keeping men from using women as objects of sexual pleasure. Porn makers obviously know this and thus we end up with damaged girls acting out our more primal desires fulfilling that role for us when most of the women (the undamaged ones) in our life don't want to go there.
I wish I could deny what you wrote. But honestly you honed in on my thoughts pretty well.
I'll admit to not liking myself much when I was with that girl that I mentioned. But it was hot as fuck to abuse her and have her thank me for it.
Nothing quite as thrilling as girl begging you to hurt and degrade her and then having her thank you when you do it. I get hard just remembering it.
Fuck, I'd sometimes just come up with crazy stuff just to see if I could get her to do it and of course I was never dissapointed. In the heat of the moment it was like an adrenaline rush fucking around with her and knowing I could get away with anything but afterwards I'd feel like shit.
And the stories she'd tell were heart breaking, and sexy as fuck at the same time. And she loved to talk about everything that had been done to her. She'd go on and on about how her Dad abused her, and then her Uncle, and then her older brother. Describing all of it in detail. She knew it turned me on, and fuck if it didn't.
And that little girl voice she used. It was irritating as hell most of the time but when I was fucking her it was just so hot. Girls that use that voice know what they're doing.
The experience definitely fed into the types of porn I like too. So I guess she made her mark on me as much as I ever did on her.
The look in these girl's eyes is interesting. I'm not sure I'd quite describe it as "dead". But there's something thrilling about it.
The best part of that first GIF in your posts is the way she looks up and back down and then back up again right after that first slap.
There's a moment of "Oh fuck! What just happened?" followed quickly by this sort of acceptance mixed with shame and maybe a bit of fear.
Like, "Oh yeah... that's what I'm for."
I've always viewed that look as a submissive acceptance of their purpose in life. Not so much dead-ness, as acceptance of purpose that doesn't involve much else but pleasing men however men might want.
Intellectually I don't think that a woman's purpose in life is to be used like that.
But there's a more animal part of me that feels quite differently. I imagine it's somewhat built into us.
In less civilized times for instance there was really nothing keeping men from using women as objects of sexual pleasure. Porn makers obviously know this and thus we end up with damaged girls acting out our more primal desires fulfilling that role for us when most of the women (the undamaged ones) in our life don't want to go there.
@birsha
for a long time i felt the way that you do about what i want from women. i don't care now. it's what i want and there are more women then you think just waiting for somebody to tap into that part of them that wants, no it's not a want it's a need, to serve. one thing i know is that women hate a self hating man. the type of women that we are talking about in particular. if they sense doubt in you it's over. then the crazy starts with them. the second they feel you care about them they no longer obey. they are drawn by you not caring, when you start to it's over and they can't deal with you. the thing is, they feel they can't be loved. if you do start to it fucks with they're sense of self. it may be why you lost that girl and she started pissing all over the place. like a child.
the little girl voice is not an act. it's not a game. it's that she was locked in a childlike state in her mind. this happens with people that were abused as kids. they never grow past that place they were at mentally. People like that are locked in the state they were in when the abuse happened. that's why i'm sure she acted like a kid as well as talked like one. it's fucked up but if you don't in some way recreate the abuse they don't feel safe anymore. especially if you do what you did and start to recreate it just by fucking around and then start to pull back. to her, i think it's like going back to that place in her mind that she found safe (i know that talking about the abuse as a safe place is fucked but that's how people like this feel about it sometimes. that the abuse was good and that real care and love is fake and bad. remember abuse is all they know and that abuse is tied to sex, so sex and abuse are one in the same in their mind.) then getting that safe place torn away. i had a woman tell me that when i was using her she felt all warm inside. like she was at peace and she knew her place and there was a sense of calm washing over her. that being in control scared her and being controlled put her at peace. this is the mindset you were dealing with and if you don't understand it, it's very hard to deal with.
the begging and thanking you for the abuse is real, that's not play. she really feels thankful that you are doing what a lot of people won't do. knowing that she is shit (or at least she feels she is) and treating her the way she feels she deserves to be treated. like a fuckktoy. if thats all you know from a young age you start to believe that it truly is your place. in a world that says that you can't think about women in that way it's rare to find a true sadist. i'm sure that if you remember her eyes when she said thank you for the abuse you saw something there. something you see in some gokkun girls, something that you can never forget. something that you have been looking for ever since. the eyes are the portal to the soul and they don't lie. they can't lie.
speaking of eyes, what i was trying to get across with my comment about the eyes of the best gokkun girls looking "empty and lifeless" and "full of lust and pain" is not that they look as you say "dead". no, no, much the opposite. they, to me at least, seem alive with fire. it's a look that we call in the bdsm community "sub space". it's the place that submissives go in their head when it's really getting good (or bad depending on how you look it it) to them. it's a trance like state they go into to shield themselves from the pain and humiliation of whats happening. it's, from what submissives tell me the peak of any bdsm play. it can last only a few moments or can go on for hours on end. during that time they are not really thinking about anything. they go inward to a place that i know of not. but they will do just about anything in that state and it feels from the outside that they are hypnotized. it's a state of pure emptiness. they go away for a time to god knows where and it's the best shit EVER!! it's like they become beings of pure id and no ego. it's scary as shit the first time you see it in person but when you understand that what is happening is that this person has just given you full and almost total control and are in a true trance state and open to ANYTHING and i mean ANYTHING it's the most empowering feeling in the world. because for that bit of time, you own them. in a real way .when the trance state starts, one of the ways you know it's started is that look in the eyes.
it's to the point that when i watch gokkun i don't look at the body's of the girls. the only place i'm looking is the eyes. i didn't know that Mika Osawa or Shizuka Kanno had cut marks on their arms. i'm not looking at their arms, although i will now. i'm looking into their eyes and of course they're mouth's and face's and that's all. i think it's something all of you should try. the next time you watch gokkun look into the eyes of the girls. gaze there, let it hold your focus and think about what it is that you see there. gokkun is good for this as it gives you long uncut shots of the full face. don't look at their mouth, you know whats happening there, just look into their eyes and you can see into the soul of that woman. it's hard to lie with your eyes. if you do that (i know some of you do already but this is for those of you that don't.) then you will see what i mean.
i know this is a long read but i have thought a lot about this kinda thing. if anyone thinks differently about this then i would love to hear your opinion about the topic, and if you think i'm full of shit then tell me why. i love free and open debate.
for a long time i felt the way that you do about what i want from women. i don't care now. it's what i want and there are more women then you think just waiting for somebody to tap into that part of them that wants, no it's not a want it's a need, to serve. one thing i know is that women hate a self hating man. the type of women that we are talking about in particular. if they sense doubt in you it's over. then the crazy starts with them. the second they feel you care about them they no longer obey. they are drawn by you not caring, when you start to it's over and they can't deal with you. the thing is, they feel they can't be loved. if you do start to it fucks with they're sense of self. it may be why you lost that girl and she started pissing all over the place. like a child.
the little girl voice is not an act. it's not a game. it's that she was locked in a childlike state in her mind. this happens with people that were abused as kids. they never grow past that place they were at mentally. People like that are locked in the state they were in when the abuse happened. that's why i'm sure she acted like a kid as well as talked like one. it's fucked up but if you don't in some way recreate the abuse they don't feel safe anymore. especially if you do what you did and start to recreate it just by fucking around and then start to pull back. to her, i think it's like going back to that place in her mind that she found safe (i know that talking about the abuse as a safe place is fucked but that's how people like this feel about it sometimes. that the abuse was good and that real care and love is fake and bad. remember abuse is all they know and that abuse is tied to sex, so sex and abuse are one in the same in their mind.) then getting that safe place torn away. i had a woman tell me that when i was using her she felt all warm inside. like she was at peace and she knew her place and there was a sense of calm washing over her. that being in control scared her and being controlled put her at peace. this is the mindset you were dealing with and if you don't understand it, it's very hard to deal with.
the begging and thanking you for the abuse is real, that's not play. she really feels thankful that you are doing what a lot of people won't do. knowing that she is shit (or at least she feels she is) and treating her the way she feels she deserves to be treated. like a fuckktoy. if thats all you know from a young age you start to believe that it truly is your place. in a world that says that you can't think about women in that way it's rare to find a true sadist. i'm sure that if you remember her eyes when she said thank you for the abuse you saw something there. something you see in some gokkun girls, something that you can never forget. something that you have been looking for ever since. the eyes are the portal to the soul and they don't lie. they can't lie.
speaking of eyes, what i was trying to get across with my comment about the eyes of the best gokkun girls looking "empty and lifeless" and "full of lust and pain" is not that they look as you say "dead". no, no, much the opposite. they, to me at least, seem alive with fire. it's a look that we call in the bdsm community "sub space". it's the place that submissives go in their head when it's really getting good (or bad depending on how you look it it) to them. it's a trance like state they go into to shield themselves from the pain and humiliation of whats happening. it's, from what submissives tell me the peak of any bdsm play. it can last only a few moments or can go on for hours on end. during that time they are not really thinking about anything. they go inward to a place that i know of not. but they will do just about anything in that state and it feels from the outside that they are hypnotized. it's a state of pure emptiness. they go away for a time to god knows where and it's the best shit EVER!! it's like they become beings of pure id and no ego. it's scary as shit the first time you see it in person but when you understand that what is happening is that this person has just given you full and almost total control and are in a true trance state and open to ANYTHING and i mean ANYTHING it's the most empowering feeling in the world. because for that bit of time, you own them. in a real way .when the trance state starts, one of the ways you know it's started is that look in the eyes.
it's to the point that when i watch gokkun i don't look at the body's of the girls. the only place i'm looking is the eyes. i didn't know that Mika Osawa or Shizuka Kanno had cut marks on their arms. i'm not looking at their arms, although i will now. i'm looking into their eyes and of course they're mouth's and face's and that's all. i think it's something all of you should try. the next time you watch gokkun look into the eyes of the girls. gaze there, let it hold your focus and think about what it is that you see there. gokkun is good for this as it gives you long uncut shots of the full face. don't look at their mouth, you know whats happening there, just look into their eyes and you can see into the soul of that woman. it's hard to lie with your eyes. if you do that (i know some of you do already but this is for those of you that don't.) then you will see what i mean.
i know this is a long read but i have thought a lot about this kinda thing. if anyone thinks differently about this then i would love to hear your opinion about the topic, and if you think i'm full of shit then tell me why. i love free and open debate.
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Are you sure you've thought about this a bit?
So basically I was doing her a favor by treating her like shit and then when I got a conscious it fucked her up.
Well if I ever find another like her I'll have to see how it goes.
Are you sure you've thought about this a bit?
So basically I was doing her a favor by treating her like shit and then when I got a conscious it fucked her up.
Well if I ever find another like her I'll have to see how it goes.
to your first point,
yes i thought about this a whole lot but if people disagree i want to hear why. what i say here is what i think and have found out from my own life dealings. i in no way think that i'm right about this or that this is the only way to think about it. a free and open debate is in my finding the best way to put ideas to the test and find the truth of things. if someone disagrees and can tell me why without simple name calling but with ideas, i may after some thought change my mind. but after years of dealing with people like this, what i said here is where i fall on the topic.
to your second point,
well, kinda, i was not saying that you were doing her a favor. if you did as i suggested you would be deepening and playing into her warped sense of self. breaking her more then she already was. that's not good for her, it hurts her and reinforces her link to the cycle of abuse. it makes her less able to feel like a human being that is worth being loved, make no mistake. what i was attempting to do was to tell you what i think was going on from her point of view. that to someone like that, abuse is seen as good and care and compassion as bad. that it's easier to deal with what you know then with what you don't know. this way of seeing things is wrong i think but it is the way, as far as i see it, that some people that are the way you described feel about themselves.
the deeper question that is begging to be asked here is, should you care about that? that if you get what you want from her, is the fact that she was an insane person matter? did you fuck it up and get a conscious or did you see that if you kept going you would be apart of something that, some may think is evil? i don't know. that's for every person to find out for them-self. all i was trying to do was to add my insight in the matter and show that this all is linked, in my mind anyway, to gokkun.
i for one think that you did the right thing FOR HER, but maybe not for yourself. i have found that women like that, if you can keep them in line, will do anything for you. they will serve you with out question. but it's taxing on you for sure. it's great for a time but if you let her pain move you, it's hard to feel good about what you are doing. that is if you let her pain move you and into your heart. it's not easy to do it. but the moment you let it in and start to pity her it's time to go. that kills it for her.
anyway, i think i killed the flow of the thread with my talk about this. if any of you want me to shut the fuck up so you all can get back to sperm talk just say so. i just have a lot to say about this. as you can see.
Sadly, no. The scene release of ASW-081 had corrupted rar files. Every JAV site and forum distributed the same bunch of files, which were unpackable. It was later extracted and repaired with some magic, but a lot of content is missing: an entire scene and about 30-40% of the other scenes. See: original runtime is 108 minutes, runtime of the video is 76 minutes...
I have the full release of ASW-081. I'll see what I can do
I've got the full release too. Mine's got a runtime of 116 minutes. I'll let @jinux post his version.
If you are referring to a runtime of 1:16, that is the damaged version. The full movie minus the ads is 1:46:08. I'm pretty sure no undamaged version is floating around out there. I searched forever without success for it.