Nonoko Hana's videos removed from DMM

[samurai79]

乃々果花(Nonoka Hana) can no longer be found on DMM.

I expect she put in a claim of being forced to appear in AV.
Watch the news in the coming weeks.

Her Dream Woman effort (Dream Woman 93) was very good. She seemed to be having fun!

 

[Llulian]

乃々果花(Nonoka Hana) can no longer be found on DMM.

I expect she put in a claim of being forced to appear in AV.
Watch the news in the coming weeks.

Her Dream Woman effort (Dream Woman 93) was very good. She seemed to be having fun!

This takes me by surprise. She was a Moodyz AV idol for her whole career. I hope we won't start to see ex-AV idols using this as an excuse to get their movies removed.
This one is amongst my favorite movies of her:

MIDE-315 ズコバコ超乱交 乃々果花

 

[jwlim80]

This takes me by surprise. She was a Moodyz AV idol for her whole career. I hope we won't start to see ex-AV idols using this as an excuse to get their movies removed.
This one is amongst my favorite movies of her:

MIDE-315 ズコバコ超乱交 乃々果花

Modern democractic legistration usually skew towards women in jurisdiction rulings. So you cannot blame legal establishments for taking cautious measures, even if nothing is official yet.

Then again, it's no fun watching the girls playing out as if they are enjoying the act on screen when there is an inkling of truth that they are under pressure to perform.

 

[Casshern2]

Just an observation, but looking at the back cover of that MIDE-315 I don't see too many shots of her smiling or looking like she's enjoying anything. Then again a lot of back covers don't.

 

[melonwrench]

Just an observation, but looking at the back cover of that MIDE-315 I don't see too many shots of her smiling or looking like she's enjoying anything. Then again a lot of back covers don't.

That's just the theme of the video. Again, acting. I think this accusation, like most of them from the big name actresses, is complete bullshit. I don't doubt there are some sleazy practices in JAV, but the idea that a big studio would be forcing their top talent to perform is laughable. It's no more plausible than saying Jennifer Lawrence was forced at gunpoint to perform in the Hunger Games movies.

 

[Supmop]

Just an observation, but looking at the back cover of that MIDE-315 I don't see too many shots of her smiling or looking like she's enjoying anything. Then again a lot of back covers don't.

I think its japanese style and preference to see expression from the girls to show they did not like the sex, and now its hit them, its like been stabbed by their own dagger

That's just the theme of the video. Again, acting. I think this accusation, like most of them from the big name actresses, is complete bullshit. I don't doubt there are some sleazy practices in JAV, but the idea that a big studio would be forcing their top talent to perform is laughable. It's no more plausible than saying Jennifer Lawrence was forced at gunpoint to perform in the Hunger Games movies.

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yes complete bullshit and laughable, but some guys are not smart enough to understand this

more and more accusations doesn't make them think something weird but made them more believe all the girls in AV was forced to perform, because AV industry are own by Yakuza

 

[jwlim80]

That's just the theme of the video. Again, acting. I think this accusation, like most of them from the big name actresses, is complete bullshit. I don't doubt there are some sleazy practices in JAV, but the idea that a big studio would be forcing their top talent to perform is laughable. It's no more plausible than saying Jennifer Lawrence was forced at gunpoint to perform in the Hunger Games movies.

I think its japanese style and preference to see expression from the girls to show they did not like the sex, and now its hit them, its like been stabbed by their own dagger



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yes complete bullshit and laughable, but some guys are not smart enough to understand this

more and more accusations doesn't make them think something weird but made them more believe all the girls in AV was forced to perform, because AV industry are own by Yakuza

Something you guys need to understand. You cannot view the mentality of the Japanese through a westernize lens.

That's is like asking why aren't women in Saudi Arabia standing up on their own and demanding for better rights ? Sure they might, but there just isn't an opportunity for them to.

Same logic here, the Fujiwara incident gave those 40+ women armaments to demand for something. Now, I'm not saying those women are right and their agency are the guilty party, but addressing when are such things happening now, of all times.

 

[Supmop]

Something you guys need to understand. You cannot view the mentality of the Japanese through a westernize lens.

That's is like asking why aren't women in Saudi Arabia standing up on their own and demanding for better rights ? Sure they might, but there just isn't an opportunity for them to.

Same logic here, the Fujiwara incident gave those 40+ women armaments to demand for something. Now, I'm not saying those women are right and their agency are the guilty party, but addressing when are such things happening now, of all times.

its very different matter, you can't compare whats happened in Saudi Arabia with AV industry

if you aware US porn industry have similiar situations decades ago, when some ex porn stars turned activists accused porn industry as evil that forced and tortured womens to shot porn films, you should read about it, it much closer to whats happened in JAV industry now

 

[jwlim80]

its very different matter, you can't compare whats happened in Saudi Arabia with AV industry

if you aware US porn industry have similiar situations decades ago, when some ex porn stars turned activists accused porn industry as evil that forced and tortured womens to shot porn films, you should read about it, it much closer to whats happened in JAV industry now

The point is the culture is different, be it racial or working. The world may appear to be more or less uniform in appearance now with mostly western ideals, but certain core cultural values are still around. You cannot ask about certain things unless your truly understand the cultural mentality.

In your case, you are comparing Japan AV with western porn. Though there are similarities on the surface, they are eventually 2 different industry due to cultural differences.

 

[Llulian]

Did you know that he appeared as Yukie Utsumi in the live action of Battle Royale?

I liked her a lot on that movie so it was a BIG shock when I knew she was Nonoko Hana in person.

 

[Supmop]

Did you know that he appeared as Yukie Utsumi in the live action of Battle Royale?

I liked her a lot on that movie so it was a BIG shock when I knew she was Nonoko Hana in person.

really ?

never know she played in Battle Royale, I think I should re watch it

well, its the 2nd time I'm late to know about AV idol in movie outside AV, the first is Reiko Yamaguchi in Japanese Wife Next Door

 

[Supmop]

The point is the culture is different, be it racial or working. The world may appear to be more or less uniform in appearance now with mostly western ideals, but certain core cultural values are still around. You cannot ask about certain things unless your truly understand the cultural mentality.

In your case, you are comparing Japan AV with western porn. Though there are similarities on the surface, they are eventually 2 different industry due to cultural differences.

again, cultural differences as the excuse

its already 2017 and japan is not in shogun era anymore

you guys still think all japanese womens are sweet & innocent, ok lets say I don't truly understand the cultural mentality, so you think is common for japanese to play victim, crying wolve, crocodile tears or whatever

its very funny when you refuse to accept whats happened in US and bring Saudi Arabian womens instead, are they any rules in japan that stated all 18+ womens must work as AV performers ?

 

[jwlim80]

again, cultural differences as the excuse

its already 2017 and japan is not in shogun era anymore

you guys still think all japanese womens are sweet & innocent, ok lets say I don't truly understand the cultural mentality, so you think is common for japanese to play victim, crying wolve, crocodile tears or whatever

its very funny when you refuse to accept whats happened in US and bring Saudi Arabian womens instead, are they any rules in japan that stated all 18+ womens must work as AV performers ?

I was addressing the statement that an studio or agency forced one of the talent to act. It's not exactly correct or wrong.

What I do know is one of the key difference between American and Japanese society is that while both government are democratic in name, Americans society tends to focus on individual rights and freedom, you can make it known if you feel something is wrong. It's not so much on the Japanese side.

Japanese society tend to put the harmony of society before the rights and happiness of individual, you just don't rock the boat when it had been sailing smoothly all these time. So perhaps Nonoka isn't happy with something and she is forced into silence, unable to raise the issue all this time due to the prevalent culture. Until now that is. Though in the company's eyes, she had been well compensated by a fat pay cheque. So who is in the wrong ?

 

[Supmop]

I was addressing the statement that an studio or agency forced one of the talent to act. It's not exactly correct or wrong.

What I do know is one of the key difference between American and Japanese society is that while both government are democratic in name, Americans society tends to focus on individual rights and freedom, you can make it known if you feel something is wrong. It's not so much on the Japanese side.

Japanese society tend to put the harmony of society before the rights and happiness of individual, you just don't rock the boat when it had been sailing smoothly all these time. So perhaps Nonoka isn't happy with something and she is forced into silence, unable to raise the issue all this time due to the prevalent culture. Until now that is. Though in the company's eyes, she had been well compensated by a fat pay cheque. So who is in the wrong ?

she isn't happy about something, what is this something ?

I understand what you mean, but forced to perform in AV is a really serious accusations, and my opinion many girls try to use this situation for their own benefit : "after they took the money they want to delete evidences that they have performed in adult videos"

maybe some of them affraid that their son jerk off by watching their old vids, maybe some other want to became politician

what I see in most of these cases are regrets came too late, they took the money without think twice, doesn't feel happy later, regret it and try to undo what they've done by play victim

 

[mago]

Americans society tends to focus on individual rights and freedom, you can make it known if you feel something is wrong.

 

[jwlim80]

she isn't happy about something, what is this something ?

I understand what you mean, but forced to perform in AV is a really serious accusations, and my opinion many girls try to use this situation for their own benefit : "after they took the money they want to delete evidences that they have performed in adult videos"

maybe some of them affraid that their son jerk off by watching their old vids, maybe some other want to became politician

what I see in most of these cases are regrets came too late, they took the money without think twice, doesn't feel happy later, regret it and try to undo what they've done by play victim

We will never know the truth unless there is a court case open to the public. But there are somethings that that can only done as an official outsider, not while you are part of a larger body.

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Something wrong with my statement ? Perhaps you will like to correct it ? Isn't "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" written somewhere ?

 

[Supmop]

We will never know the truth unless there is a court case open to the public. But there are somethings that that can only done as an official outsider, not while you are part of a larger body.

I won't be surprise if most of the cases never went open to public, as it ended with settlement fee

 

[jwlim80]

crimes is just crimes . its not depend on people believe it or not .
japan have policemen because they know that thier country is not dream land.

Technically, it is a civil suit where no laws have been broken and no arrest made.

Any arrest which you might have heard are pertaining to distribution of uncensored porn in mainland Japan and profiting from it, a different matter altogether.

 

[jwlim80]

jwlim80 as you might not know, policemen arrest lots of actor ,actress ,censer-worker before this years .
its too long stories since javtalk is not gone yet.
its not about who censored or uncensored . they arrest people in jav business for reason. law
in the past , some of jav company that dont have much money, they do real outdoor movies, of course after policemen know , they arrest them.
its not just about this 2-3 years man, it longer than that , before mihiro join this business.
why do people think its about Olympic Games ? sell much ? japan have real jail for people who dont have 100000000 yens . if you know what i mean.

Oh that. That was about them investigating Fujiwara's statement regarding outdoor shot to see if any public indecency law was broken.

No formal charges was pressed and all parties taken in for questioning was released. It spooked the various studios however, and outdoor shots was cutbacked.

Still not related to the current coercion fiasco though.

 

[ding73ding]

Modern democractic legistration usually skew towards women in jurisdiction rulings. So you cannot blame legal establishments for taking cautious measures, even if nothing is official yet.

Wasn't too interested to join the discussion but noticed this old post.

You are mixing up too many things. There's nothing "modern", "democratic" or "skew towards women" in anti-porn, anti-sex moralistic warfare. It dated back to the Old Testament and before.

In Japan just as everywhere, the legal establishment exploits these women (sometimes feminists) to attack the sin industry(s). But there's never any sincerity to "protect women and children".

I do agree there's something unhealthy about AV fandom in Japan. And there are some (or many) bad apples in the sex industries. But I do not for one second believe whatever the law enforcement is doing is positive. Perhaps some self-policing by the industry is best idea for now.

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In Japan (just like in Korea and China), having been arrested, may be not as bad as being charged, tried and convicted. But an arrest itself is quite a scandal enough to ruin someone's life or career (at least for so-called "respectable" careers).

For Korea's recent impeachment of the president, her fate was sealed the day it was announced a formal investigation was launched. Then the trial, conviction and impeachment were just pro forma. Compared to USA, Trump is now under formal investigation (as were quite a few sitting presidents in the past) but it does not affect his political situation.