Life-sized Dolls

bpx

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To BPX:
Call yourself what you want, but the pictures at the bottom of your post tell more about you than your words.....
So liking cute stuff makes one a pedophile?
Please don't call me something like that. I know I'm not. I'm not attracted to kids, I just like to see nice photography of cute girls. That's it. And I don't even think it's okay here to simply walk around and tell people "you're a pedofile". Even if you did not really say it you definitely implied it. So if it's okay here to tell people what you think of them then I feel free to say you're an asshole
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(Before a mod or admin might be trying to scold me you should try to understand WHY I got so angry about this person)

That's a tough question. Dolls can help prevent sex crimes or promote them?
I don't think it's promotion. Are horror movies promotion for horrible murders? No. I said it's not easy to say whether they prevent crimes or not but at least it's a possibility that should be thought about. I for one definitely wouldn't want one of these. I don't even want dolls of mature ones. It's of course wrong to have sex with children (and quite ugly if you ask me) but it should be treated as what it is.
 

buttobi

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Stop flaming. :warning2:

Or we would have to put up the third thread on this doll theme.:evillaugh:
 

buttobi

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I don't think it's promotion. Are horror movies promotion for horrible murders? No. I said it's not easy to say whether they prevent crimes or not but at least it's a possibility that should be thought about.
I don't think it is, either but if some people would claim--they actually do about manga and lolicon-- "at least it's a possibility that should be thought about", I wonder how you would refute that.:puzzled:
 

bpx

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What I basically mean is that because of such a doll it would be easier for the pedophile to control himself. He would know that he could not have to hurt someone else to get his "kick". However (of course) I'm not sure if it would really be as much of a pleasure for that person doing it with a doll even if it's more child-like.
 

Rollyco

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I merged the new thread back into the new thread, edited a few posts, and re-opened it.

To reiterate redroosters warning: No flaming allowed.
 

shinta

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I did a news search, and could find no reference to a man being arrested in the U.K. for anything related to a sex doll. Hopefully this means kevtra was never actually charged with a crime...assuming kevtra's story is true, that is. (After all, all we have is to anonymous posts on a single Internet forum.)
Just FYI, kevtra's story is indeed legit. He ordered the doll through a third party in Japan named Ta-Bo, who is the owner of http://www.dolldataroom.org/ and has helped many other members of that doll forum obtain their dolls from Japan. The mods in that forum were able to obtain copies of the email correspondence between kevtra and ta-bo and verify that it was legit.

So, philosophical arguments aside, as a practical matter, I would strongly discourage anyone who lives outside of Japan from ordering a Japanese sex doll, unless it has large breasts, pubic hair, and preferably simulated stretch marks from childbirth.
I mentioned this earlier, but if anyone is actually thinking of ordering one of these dolls, it's highly recommended to order the head and body separately (they're detachable) and at least a week apart. The body itself has breasts (not huge, but not child-like either), and although it is short (150 cm), it's mainly the head that makes the overall doll look really young. A customs official would probably be less likely to flag a box containing just the body or just the head.
 

daredemonai

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japonaliya, unfortunately we will never know what the grounds for calling the material "obscene" were, since the prosecution never had to make its case in court. :sigh: I've done a lot of digging on this case, and it seems like 1) Handley had lazy lawyers who were happy to help prosecutors convince him to take a plea bargain, 2) Handley was incredibly naive about the whole process, 3) prosecutors threatened with him serious jail time if he didn't take the plea bargain, 4) Handley's lawyers took the threat seriously, because, although appeals courts overturn almost all obscenity convictions, juries tend to convict anyway, so he would have been in prison until a higher court overturned his conviction. A very frustrating case indeed, and yet another reason plea bargains should be banned, as they are in most civilized countries.

As for the question of whether or not such dolls could serve as a release or as a catalyst for actual child molestation, this kind of question is unanswerable. Studies (and there have been many) of the effects of sexual and/or violent representations have invariably been inconclusive, because there is no way to prove cause and effect. It's the chicken and the egg problem. Did he r*** because he watched violent porn, or did he watch violent porn because he was a latent r**ist? :dunno:

shinta, thanks a lot for clearing that up. That was the big question for me. Any news about what eventually happened to this guy? The advice of ordering body and head separately is brilliant. (Then again, since I live in Japan, it doesn't really effect me.)

I will readily confess that I have spent hours over the past few years looking over sites that sell sex dolls (particularly Orient Industry), pondering the possibilities. But I can't imagine ever actually buying one because, 1) the good ones are incredibly expensive--at least $3000, 2) I have nowhere secure to hide such a big thing, and 3) I would be terrified that my girlfriend would find it. But who knows? Maybe someday I'll be fabulously rich, have a big house in which to hide bodies dolls, and have a girlfriend who thinks it would be great to have three or four life-sized sex dolls! :evillaugh:

But there is an alternative! Here in Japan there are actually pseudo "brothels" where you can pay to have "quality time" with the "love doll" of your choice! You can also have one delivered to your door, and picked up the next day, but what could be more humiliating? On the one hand, I think it's hilarious. On the other hand, I find myself looking at their online "menus" quite intently. :secret:
 

Ceewan

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ewwwww!

Doll seconds......now that is totally gross.

On a more serious note,(no, doll seconds is seriously gross, I repeat: ewwww!). I wouldn't be surprised if these dolls weren't often ordered in Hollywood by the film industry, minus any of the questionable extras of course. Considering the price of special effects and stunt people they may have been used as a cheaper alternative. Don't know though, just guessing.
 

daredemonai

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Yeah, it is kind of disturbing to think about how many (and what kind of) people have used the doll before you. But all of those sites emphasize how thoroughly they clean the dolls after each "encounter." (I think they replace the "love hole" with a "fresh one" each time.) Still, yeah, "ewww" is the word that leaps to mind.
 

rubiks6

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Thank you so much for reopening the thread !!!

You see ...? Right back on topic.

daredemonai, Ceewan - OMG, I'm really just rolling on the floor laughing! Great stuff.
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Ewwwwww! - Ahahaha
 

Ceewan

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(I think they replace the "love hole" with a "fresh one" each time.)

"I think" really doesn't do it for me daredemonai. It would be a lot more expensive to replace than to clean, (beware of lemony fresh scent!), just not good Japanese business sense there.

Then I am sure there is the if you rip it you buy it clause. So if anyone does order "doll takeout", please be gentle.
 

rubiks6

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___ Lemony fresh ?!?
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Tell me these girls don't have spirits. They're positively HAUNTED. Lol.
Do they test drive them before they leave the factory? ewwwww
 

daredemonai

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"I think" really doesn't do it for me daredemonai.

Very true. :evillaugh: Even if their sites said in bold lettering "LOVE HOLE REPLACED WITH NEW ONE AFTER EACH USE!", the kind of people who would start a sex-doll brothel (or "take out") are not the kind the kind of people I'm going to trust with my hygiene or health. :snicker:

And Pine-sol is not something I want to wax my willie with. :nosepick:
 

buttobi

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Very true.Even if their sites said in bold lettering "LOVE HOLE REPLACED WITH NEW ONE AFTER EACH USE!", the kind of people who would start a sex-doll brothel (or "take out") are not the kind the kind of people I'm going to trust with my hygiene or health. :snicker:
http://www.doll-style.jp/qa/index.html
Q:局部(ホール)は新品を使ってるの?
A:ホールは巷で大人気の「東京名器物語」の新品を使用しております。使用後はそのままお持ち帰り頂いて結構です。
Q:Do your dolls have new holes?
A:We are using new popular " story of good vaginas of Tokyo" models. You can take them after the use.
about " story of good vaginas of Tokyo"
http://daimaoh.kir.jp/ho/tomei.html

So you can trust them regarding holes. :snicker:

Geez, the price is outrageous, ¥30.000 for one night. No doubt dolls are not substitutes for real women/girls for the customers since with that money they could go to real ones.
 

daredemonai

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http://www.doll-style.jp/qa/index.html


about " story of good vaginas of Tokyo"
http://daimaoh.kir.jp/ho/tomei.html

So you can trust them regarding holes. :snicker:

Geez, the price is outrageous, ¥30.000 for one night. No doubt dolls are not substitutes for real women/girls for the customers since with that money they could go to real ones.
I hadn't bothered to read the FAQ. That is hilarious. I'm trying to think of a better translation for 東京名器物語. How about "A Tale of Terrific Tokyo Tail"? :evillaugh:

I wonder if they allow "BYOH" ("bring your own hole")? :virtuous:

I have never paid for sex (honestly), but I just did a quick Internet search for brothels "fashion health" services in the same Fukuoka area. Here's a comparison of silicon versus real flesh:
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[B]Time[/B]       [B]Doll[/B]      [B]Human[/B]
30 min.                8800
40 min.              11,800
50 min.              14,800
60 min.    10,000    17,800
90 min.    12,000    28,000
120 min.   15,000    35,000
All night  30,000
Which is the better bargain? I suppose it's subjective. :hurry:
 

shinta

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daredemonai:
You know as much as I do about what happened to kevtra after his last post on the doll forum. As far as I know, he was living in fear of being publicly humiliated and out $3k or more for an undelivered doll.

Regarding the rental of dolls, at least you have less chance of contracting an STD from a doll than a hooker, at least that's what I'd imagine.

And I believe there is a market for used dolls on ebay, albeit a small one. If you're just that desperate for a doll and don't have enough cash, ebay may be your only option.

My main concern, though, would be the safety hazard of rubbing silicone against your skin all the time. The oil that seeps through the doll and onto/into your body can't be healthy for you.
 

japonaliya

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daredemonai:
You know as much as I do about what happened to kevtra after his last post on the doll forum. As far as I know, he was living in fear of being publicly humiliated and out $3k or more for an undelivered doll.

Regarding the rental of dolls, at least you have less chance of contracting an STD from a doll than a hooker, at least that's what I'd imagine.

And I believe there is a market for used dolls on ebay, albeit a small one. If you're just that desperate for a doll and don't have enough cash, ebay may be your only option.

My main concern, though, would be the safety hazard of rubbing silicone against your skin all the time. The oil that seeps through the doll and onto/into your body can't be healthy for you.

I have never seen a Japanese love doll on eBay, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?
American REAL DOLLS sometimes..but no Japanese teens or kid dolls.
 

daredemonai

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I have never seen a Japanese love doll on eBay, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?
American REAL DOLLS sometimes..but no Japanese teens or kid dolls.
I've never used a sex doll, but like I said, I've spent plenty of time poring over the sites :evillaugh:, and as functional sex dolls, it looks like RealDolls are the highest quality...but they look so damned slutty, like porn stars or Hustler models. Their "Asian" models look nicer. But the best Japanese "love dolls" (like Orient Industry's) are just really nice to look at. I can see how someone would be tempted to spend 600,000 yen for one and keep it in his home as a "companion." On the other hand, they tend to have a rather melancholy expression, and, although I'm not superstitious (?), I might get freaked out by having the thing in my room sometimes. :exhausted:
 

rubiks6

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daredemonai said:
... I might get freaked out by having the thing in my room sometimes.
Sitting there staring at you, aye? Waiting. Wanting. Wondering. (Does he really love me?)
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Okay, I'm going to bed now. Cheers.