JAV actresses with natural breasts

earljames said:
Why are you so sure Shoko has fake boobs? Could you please provide some proof or explain why you think that.
It seems I don't have the best eye for discovering fake boobs
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I am a bit too lazy to extract the evidence and post. But if you have watched every single scene of hers multiple times like I have you would spot the multiple times (multiple is important because one "weird" frame is not enough proof) her tits become just slight misshapen in an obvious way. Despite the misshapening is obvious, thankfully it's not severe, and very infrequent. When I first saw it, I stopped myself mid-stroke, and a different part of my brain lit up... "Oh her tits are enhanced, wow... [PROCESSING PROCESSING] what do I think about that? Am I surprised about it? Hmm maybe I shouldn't be surprised... Do I still like her? Yeah I think so... Look it's only for one second, and they are bouncing beautifully again, wait don't overthink it, let the little brother downstairs decide..." Switch mode, little brother says "Wow big brother, I almost lost a bit of hardness there, watch it! Now let's get to partying!!!" ...

I just scanned her recent covers to try to remember which vids was it... but no, I have very vague memory of how the scenes look but can't match any vid cover to the scene. Best guess is MIDE-500, -551, -582, and perhaps -560 just because that's a boob-obsession vid. Esp. in -560 I think even if you spot evidence of surgical enhancement in there, I think watching the whole vid the balanced conclusion is "her boobs are super yummy".

Look I don't have a talent for detecting fake boobs. Most importantly I don't make a big deal of it. So for many borderline cases I just let it be, don't overthink it. Shokotas remains one of my all-time tops, despite being "fake" if we insist on that wording. Even for someone totally fake like Mio Kimijima, my cock can 100% reliably reach orbit insertion with her, so what's the problem? The point is a girl can be fake in two ways, (1) you spot a misshapening during a scene or even worse on the cover, it's a cancel launch even before the rocket is fueled (2) you compare a before/after pix/vids you say hey she looks different. But sometimes case (2) would be undetectable without a side-by-side, meaning if you look at only current looks, there's no (obvious) misshapening. See the little brother doesn't think, he's only looking at the here and now. Long term memory is stored upstairs and better shut off during launch. With the obvious case (1) including most American porn stars, there's no need to even pump fuel in the rocket.

Someone mention Arni Okita, well actually I am quite convinced her boobs are real. Let's say I'm 80% confident her boobs are 100% real. Her other parts, can't say. But real doesn't equal fav, little brother doesn't like oversized udders.

Oh one more wrinkle (heh, wrinkle) 100% real boobs don't mean never been under the knife. Super big melons like Okita and Hitomi might have been surgically reduced or tightened. Obviously it's their main asset so it's not to decrease the asset, but I can believe they need surgery to reduce/reverse sagging.
 
darksider59 said:
I don't watch girls like Anri Okita and other western looking actresses. From there, it's not so difficult. Japan isn't Korea, plastic surgery isn't mainstream at all. There are cases when it's obvious, we talked about it above, and when you see girls like Hasumi Kurea, Asuka Kirara and Nao Wakana, there is no doubt. You check before/after, there are differences that even aging can't do (making the chin sharper).

I didn't upload pics for all actresses I follow, but here are some of them:

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The only thing is that some have more makeup than others because pics are from events, twitter or pro photoshoots. Some have lenses + eyelid tape to make their eyes bigger, so nothing to do with surgery. Tons of stuff are available for girls and their look, without going under the knife.
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Unfortunately we will never be able to settle this debate with evidence. Otherwise, I would bet serious money more than half of the pix you posted have gone under the knife.

OK I can agree the cosmetic surgery trend is much more comprehensive in South Korea than in Japan. Meaning stopping a random woman on the street, you have a much higher chance to catch a "real" woman in Tokyo than in Seoul. But for entertainment industry, from the most uptight "serious" reporter to the most lewd porn, both countries are about the same, nearly 100%. Historically SK learned it from Japanese entertainment world. For JAV I could believe if a 6-month short career young debutante to be real if her boobs aren't very large and she doesn't stay in industry.

Walking the streets of Tokyo it's shocking how many women have sub-B cup tits. Even knowing East Asians aren't very busty, Japanese are especially disadvantaged. Back only 10-20 years ago, Japanese men's taste are for B- to C- cups which is easily satisfied by the natural distribution in the gene pool. But now men's taste have gone to D-, E- and up, there's a serious mismatch. So a naturally busty girl would be high demand for girlfriend, wife, mainstream entertainment and other life choices. For for JAV, the gap between demand and supply is huge. In summary, the rule of "too good for porn" applies.
 
Obviously these girls don't go to the extreme the Korean and Chinese models or Western pornstars do but it wouldn't surprise me if most of the busty girls had implants or a lift. That's not to say they had no boobs before but I'd imagine they weren't nearly as full or nearly as high up on the chest.
 
darksider59 said:
Saying Anri Okita's boobs are probably natural and then saying most of girls went under the knife ...
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Well ok that deserves a bit of explanation.

For any girl over G-cups (JAV soft standard) and if there's no visible signs of misshapening after say 20 full length vids, my default position is to believe there's no implant. (which is not to say there never been any knife-ing). So you get a lot of super busty top idols getting my vote of confidence: Anri Okita, Hitomi, Julia, Rion, Aimi Yoshikawa, Matsuri Kiritani, even the crazy impossible case such as Sakura Miura. Some of them are so huge they are literally monstrous (not my type), others have thicker balanced figure (Kiritani), some of them simply defy biological and physical science (Julia, considering her age).

If the boobs size is that large (well above average for even the most busty races), the only meaningful surgery is implant in the gland tissue (sorry not gonna research the proper jargon for this discussion). This type of breast enhancement is quite easy to detect. And since I haven't seen anyone post any gotcha-pix for them, I tend to believe. Well... unless there's some crazy new medical technology stem cell DNA reprinting 3D something that I don't know about.

But for C- to F-cup range of girls, the sub-muscular type of implant can easily boost up their tits a good inch or more which might be two cup sizes, from very forgettable B- to pretty pretty D-cups. It's would be a solid kickstart for a 2-5 year career and sufficiently undetectable to not alienate male JAV fans. That's why I am suspicious of non-suspicious girls such as Koharu Suzuki.

So I'm counter intuitive, trust the few exceptional big melons, doubt the majority normal-looking breasts.
 
darksider59 said:
Thank you for sharing your point of view on that. I agree that if there is no sign of misshapeningafter a certain amount of vids, the girl probably didn't change anything. But, for example, what if Anri did PS before entering the JAV industry ? I don't know if she was a gravure model before, if it's the case, that could be an explanation.
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Look mon ami, I am happy if you agree with me, I am ok if you disagree with me. But drives me crazy if you agree with me and then in the same sentence contradicts it! It doesn't process!

My argument is that if we are looking at a big pair of melons, and we have seen enough video footage of them swinging and swaying and boining and prodded and bounced squeezed and kneaded and sometimes even rope-tied, then any implant would become self-evident. Ex silentio, lack of negative evidence become positive proof. So this analysis doesn't look at change over time. It is taking the collection of available footage to prove 100% real tits. Time is not a factor! If Anri got implants anytime during her career or before, and they are still in there, they would be detectable.

But for the normal-chest or mildly-busty girls lack of misshapening footage is not sufficient positive proof of 100% real.

Also gravue doesn't count at all towards lack of negative evidence. It is cheap enough to delete all photos with misshapening and/or Photoshop the evidence away. It is not practical to video-brush away misshapening if we have over 5 hours of cumulative fucking footage.
 
darksider59 said:
But I have doubts, here, they don't bounce like real ones. Or they are really firm which is curious because the rest of her body isn't at all.
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See even video "evidence" is very subjective. Same clip, different people make different conclusion. For you they look doubtful, for me the same clip is evidence there is NO implant. I also invested 2 minutes just now and find a clip of her being fucked in a supine position, for big melons the upward boin is a difficult test. I would admit hers is a bit less floppy than I expect for her size and age (27 at the time of the vid). But overall I am satisfied with both clips. They do flop and swing and sag sufficiently convincingly. A bit too firm so I can't be 100% sure, but overall, combining with the footage (zero incidence of misshapening) that I remember, I'd give her 75% vote of confidence.

One lady that still give me trouble is Mio Kimijima, one look at her I said out loud "Nexus-6, pleasure model". She looks like a CGI-synthetic human. But by now I've seen more than 10 scenes of hers (probably only 1/20 of all the vids she's putting out) and I still haven't seen any misshapening, which is totally outside my expectation. E.g. by chance I re-watch MIAE-150, e.g. 21:10~21:59 and 25:00~32:00, it's quite positive proof of no-implant. So could it be her sin is only she is too perfect looking (BTW I am still convinced she had a lot of minor cosmetic surgeries, mostly skin tugs etc, but no breast implants). But contrary to my first impression, her tits do flop around... so actually all these debate isn't pointless... I have just managed to convince myself to watch more Mio Kimijima.

Soooo.... for me the three mortal sins of breast enhancement: (1) misshapening, (2) failure to flop, (3) wide base-to-volume ratio. The misshapening is by far the worse sin and very common for Silicone Valley porn stars. The failure to flop is also much much worse in American porn stars than JAV. The wide base problem is more common for JAV and becoming more and more common.

A random example is Noa Mizuhara 水原乃亜, the stat line is not arousing suspicion, only C-cups, actually visually they look bigger than C, anyway that's the official stats. But just looking at the covers (I don't think I've seen her vids yet) I get very suspicious, very wide base but not very large breast volume. They don't flop around and not a lot of tits for the grabbing. I can't tell if I just don't like this kind of boob shape or they look and feel fake to me. Many newcomers (since maybe late 2017) have these kind of boobs, not sure about reality, but in my mind, they shove them all into the fake bin.

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ding73ding said:
See even video "evidence" is very subjective. Same clip, different people make different conclusion. For you they look doubtful, for me the same clip is evidence there is NO implant. I also invested 2 minutes just now and find a clip of her being fucked in a supine position, for big melons the upward boin is a difficult test. I would admit hers is a bit less floppy than I expect for her size and age (27 at the time of the vid). But overall I am satisfied with both clips. They do flop and swing and sag sufficiently convincingly. A bit too firm so I can't be 100% sure, but overall, combining with the footage (zero incidence of misshapening) that I remember, I'd give her 75% vote of confidence.

One lady that still give me trouble is Mio Kimijima, one look at her I said out loud "Nexus-6, pleasure model". She looks like a CGI-synthetic human. But by now I've seen more than 10 scenes of hers (probably only 1/20 of all the vids she's putting out) and I still haven't seen any misshapening, which is totally outside my expectation. E.g. by chance I re-watch MIAE-150, e.g. 21:10~21:59 and 25:00~32:00, it's quite positive proof of no-implant. So could it be her sin is only she is too perfect looking (BTW I am still convinced she had a lot of minor cosmetic surgeries, mostly skin tugs etc, but no breast implants). But contrary to my first impression, her tits do flop around... so actually all these debate isn't pointless... I have just managed to convince myself to watch more Mio Kimijima.

Soooo.... for me the three mortal sins of breast enhancement: (1) misshapening, (2) failure to flop, (3) wide base-to-volume ratio. The misshapening is by far the worse sin and very common for Silicone Valley porn stars. The failure to flop is also much much worse in American porn stars than JAV. The wide base problem is more common for JAV and becoming more and more common.

A random example is Noa Mizuhara 水原乃亜, the stat line is not arousing suspicion, only C-cups, actually visually they look bigger than C, anyway that's the official stats. But just looking at the covers (I don't think I've seen her vids yet) I get very suspicious, very wide base but not very large breast volume. They don't flop around and not a lot of tits for the grabbing. I can't tell if I just don't like this kind of boob shape or they look and feel fake to me. Many newcomers (since maybe late 2017) have these kind of boobs, not sure about reality, but in my mind, they shove them all into the fake bin.

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Regarding Noa Mizuhara, you can't judge based on box photos. Her SSNI box cover pics all have her breasts photo shopped to the max. Her breasts are actually no where near that large and have the same shape and only a little more size than they had in gravure photos and vids from 2014 when she was just 18. SSNI has been doing the same of late with a number of other young girls that are even smaller chested like Miru Sakamichi on their box covers as well.
 
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striker01 said:
Generally I'm in the Anri Okita all natural camp, but the following gifs make me have some doubts about that.
How can she move her breasts like that? I thought breast flexing was only possible with implants.
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And here they do move quite a lot, but they are holding their shape and do not flatten enough to the sides
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Any thoughts on that?
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At this point we are only bouncing speculations. Anyhoo... here goes

For "breast flexing" I am not sure what it is and have never heard of implants making possible that which I don't sure what it is, and I am not sure she is really doing that which I am not sure what it is. Seems to me she's doing something, with her rib cage and/or diaphragm, even with a helping of her entire torso jerking a bit. The breasts only follow passively the motion of the chest, seems to me.

About flattening and flopping to the sides when supine. I agree hers seem too firm to be real, yet they also flop enough that any implant should show as misshapening, so on the balance, I think it's easier to believe she has some genetic freak of nature giving her such supple tits than to believe that there's some magical implant or plastic surgeon can make such huge fake tits that survive several years of intense JAV-making.
 
I ran these images through my BA App. Results are interesting. As you can see, in the bounce down there looks to be a very unnatural line or border or definite end to the breast, it doesn't quite naturally blend in to her body well. But, is that normal?

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Here is another view a few seconds later without the highlight.

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Thoughts?
 
Casshern2 said:
I ran these images through my BA App. Results are interesting. As you can see, in the bounce down there looks to be a very unnatural line or border or definite end to the breast, it doesn't quite naturally blend in to her body well. But, is that normal?
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I did see that without using an app. I agree it arouse suspicion. However, I still can't imagine any implant and/or plastic surgeon can create a such a perfectly looking enhancement. So I can only repeat/reword my previous statement: it's doubtful they are real, it's impossible they are (humanly) fake.
darksider59 said:
Shoko also denied having her boobs done on twitter. Why believing one and not the other ?
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I agree, don't drink the water from denial, without a grain of salt.
A screenshot from a movie released in 2014. She's on the right. She didn't gain weight, she's a smoker and obviously did something to her face.
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Well... yeah... in 2014 she was ... 26, from 26 to 29 (2017 when she return to JAV as a bigger star than 2014) can boobs grow that much bigger? It's very suspicious... but you know I was just equally suspicious when I first saw her in 2017 without seeing her previous works.

There's a lot of knife-work on her, no one debates that. But are there implants in them boobs? To her boobs my view is same as Anri Okita.
If you are using movie covers to judge, no wonder you think natural girls did PS. david mcgee is right, the covers are so badly photoshopped that I sometimes don't even recognize the girl.
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Well ok you guys caught me flat-footed. It's not fair to judge a girl by her covers. Actually I use the same principle myself, whenever I remeber. I never judge a vid by the boobs, I always judge boobs by the vids. I should amend to say Noa Mizuhara's boobs look fake on the cover. Except it's done in silica, not in silicone (sorry geek joke).

But I do select vids by the covers, I know it's unreliable, but I don't want to invest more time/effort on more reliable selection procedures. Anyway that's OT. Look I won't change my browsing and fapping habit to win a debate. I have my principles.

Also I don't judge a girl by the real vs. fake boobs. I am happy take fake boobs such as Shoko, Mio (?) if they aren't one of the 3 bad cases (misshapening, fail to flop, wide base).

Oh look there are more evidence against Noa Mizuhara, 2017 June, her stats 83C-61-86, 2018 April, new agency, new stats: 88E-59-86. I know stats and covers and denials are all untrusty but C- to E-cups with a 5 cm boost?
 
ding73ding said:
I did see that without using an app. I agree it arouse suspicion. However, I still can't imagine any implant and/or plastic surgeon can create a such a perfectly looking enhancement. So I can only repeat/reword my previous statement: it's doubtful they are real, it's impossible they are (humanly) fake.
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BA App = Boob Analyzer App...=Brain
 
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