Shoko Takahashi 高橋しょう子

darksider59 said:
Judging by the video, her guitar skills are fine. It's few seconds so, hard to judge, plus it doesn't seem to be a difficult song (part of song). I don't play guitar, but I listen and watch a lot of heavy metal/rock and to stay in japanese female bands, you can notice a difference :

Kanami from Band-Maid

Saki from Mary's Blood

They are pro and signed in major unlike Shoko's band. Again, Shoko's band is probably doing it as a hobby and with Shoko's contacts in the entertainment world, they had opportunities to record an album and play some gigs. Other members have probably a daily job (like most of musicians when you think about it, for 1000 people having music as their main job, there might be 10 000 people out there doing it on weekend only)

Another thing, in my opinion, they can't use Shoko's hoy body to attract people. It works with idols, but rock and metal fans want music quality first. Ai Shinozaki and Sayaka Yamamoto from AKB kinda use it (photobooks, magazine covers), but they belong to the idol industry. In the US, there are bands who hire hot female vocalists but they aren't taken seriously by the metal community (eg. Butcher Babies). Nightwish was able to successed and still is a huge name in the metal world with their female singer thanks to their music and having an awesome vocalist. Another great band, all female band this time, Crucified Barbara, proved that women can rock as hard as men (sadly, the band is now disbanded). So, neither of those two bands used the female body to sell.

In the second Shoko's video, it seems that some of the images are from her IV or JAV releases (the non AV intro of AVOP-210). And, I have to mention that the video made me laugh more than once lol. I really like her character.
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Yes! Those are more like it. Esp. a 3:45 solo. By comparison Shoko's playing makes me think she trained on Guitar Hero games.

About idol vs musician, well you are right but I don't think it's as black and white. There are always cross-overs. Musicians (esp. female) who aren't good looking have to be extra good to get a contract and won't achieve as big success as musicians who are good and good looking. And the average J- and K- pop bands, I like looking at them but my ears :confused: usually can't stand more than half a song at one sitting. But it's probably wrong to say none of them have musical talents.

Problem is you get a band like HöLDERLINS, it's hard to assemble so many good looking members together. You happen to have a hottie but her talent isn't vocal, so you can't have like a "Shoko and the HöLDERLINS". You put the best vocalist as front lady and if she isn't hot, it's not ideal to exploit the good visage of the guitarist.

Not to say there's anything wrong with exploiting the female form in music. Sexy and music goes together is a fine old tradition. HöLDERLINS is more pure about the music and I respect them. And if Shoko ever make a career out of a bimbo-musician-idol, well good for her too.
 
I just want to throw couple ideas out there: Yua Mikami and Shokotas may take slightly different persona but at the core they are really the same. Yua is a more a teeny pop idol and Shoko is a more goddess kind of idol. Both have her own kind of star quality and both are working as hard to fulfill her potentials. Also both are not young and you know you can't teach an old dog new tricks. They have some talents for music or whatever, and they are good enough to do some occasional gigs. But for a full time career paying for mortgage and food on the table, their only good choice is fucking and sucking for the camera lens.

The other thing is: in my fantasy alternate universe, 99% of JAV idols would be non-vanilla. They should all be good for orgy, creampie (at least fake one), facial, (light) S&M, and anal sex. And of course all of them would do an uncensored vid at least once a year or two. But then there should also be a couple of royalty, snobby princesses, if you want. They might do what some people call vanilla only. So like all royalty, they may not appeal to every fan, but that's ok. And for these few royalty JAV idols, I think the best candidates are (1) Shoko Takahashi and (2) Yua Mikami.
 
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ding73ding said:
I just want to throw couple ideas out there: Yua Mikami and Shokotas may take slightly different persona but at the core they are really the same. Yua is a more a teeny pop idol and Shoko is a more goddess kind of idol. Both have her own kind of star quality and both are working as hard to fulfill her potentials. Also both are not young and you know you can't teach an old dog new tricks. They have some talents for music or whatever, and they are good enough to do some occasional gigs. But for a full time career paying for mortgage and food on the table, their only good choice is fucking and sucking for the camera lens.

The other thing is: in my fantasy alternate universe, 99% of JAV idols would be non-vanilla. They should all be good for orgy, creampie (at least fake one), facial, (light) S&M, and anal sex. And of course all of them would do an uncensored vid at least once a year or two. But then there should also be a couple of royalty, snobby princesses, if you want. They might do what some people call vanilla only. So like all royalty, they may not appeal to every fan, but that's ok. And for these few royalty JAV idols, I think the best candidates are (1) Shoko Takahashi and (2) Yua Mikami.
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I think Yua is the only modern day girl that gives off the Sora Aoi like princess vibe, while I thought Shoko would end up being the dirty one of the two(even before she went to Moodyz). I'm quite happy where the industry is, because to me if 99% where non vanilla it would be very boring, I need variety not everybody doing the same thing or I would just go back to euro or american porn
 
Talent matters but it's not everything. You need something to stand out and some luck. I like a few Sex Pistols songs and nobody is ever going to call them talented musicians.
 
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Nothing about her band suggests its an attempt at being a career so I dont know what the point of debating her future as a musician is, its just a thing she and her 2 friends from gravure started. They are good enough to get gigs at real music venues and when you look at the crowd there arent any creepy otakus, just normal people from the scene who are there for the bands and not to oggle an idol. The fact that they separate Shoko's fame from the band promotion shows that they are dedicated to the music and arent interested in making easy otaku money.

MoodyZ probably isnt a fan of her being in Holderlins as it goes against the pristine image they try to portray her as. Shoko's fans dont even seem to be on board either since they arent following the Holderlins twitter. The band was started before she did AV so she was probably able to put it in the contract that she can be in the band and do what she wants. I think its good that someone can be an AV idol and still have their own life they dont have to hide from the public, even when that life is the opposite of what they are being advertised as.

you go to places like this for the love of the music, not the fame or money

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Moving on with music, she contribute to a weekly column for about a year now where she talks dirty :-

https://s.asageifuzoku.com/h/av/

In essence, she makes sexual connection to events concerning her that specific week.

Some of the more interesting topic includes her comparing dick size of foreigners to Japanese ones and wonder what it would be like to do the nasty with them. Or how many times she will have sex per day as a newly wed and how she feels about outdoor sex.

I have my doubts if she herself does actually authored those article herself, I believe they are actually ghost written to portray her persona as an insatiable sexual predator who thinks dirty all day.

I might try an interpretation myself but popular opinion here dictates that I should let my betters have an attempt before doing so.
 
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Moving on with music, she contribute to a weekly column for about a year now where she talks dirty :-

https://s.asageifuzoku.com/h/av/

In essence, she makes sexual connection to events concerning her that specific week.

Some of the more interesting topic includes her comparing dick size of foreigners to Japanese ones and wonder what it would be like to do the nasty with them. Or how many times she will have sex per day as a newly wed and how she feels about outdoor sex.

I have my doubts if she herself does actually authored those article herself, I believe they are actually ghost written to portray her persona as an insatiable sexual predator who thinks dirty all day.

I might try an interpretation myself but popular opinion here dictates that I should let my betters have an attempt before doing so.
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Vocal doesn't equal popular! I appreciate your posts (even though they have gotten so numerous that I seldom have the time to read all of them, but I think that's a good thing :D ).
 
Gosh... it's been that long no one thought to say anything about Shokatas? Well I have been faithfully fapping to each of her new vids, but indeed seems there's not much to say about her. Like an old lover, no need for small talk, no need for foreplay, just strip naked and get busy.

Saw the gossip that she's releasing a vid under S1 in December. My first reaction was holy shit S1 is the Evil Empire, they've head-hunted (bust-hunted? pussy-hunted?) a super star replacement for their recent loss (Rion etc). But no... phew... S1 made very very explicit that Shoko is still Moodyz's asset. This will be a one-off lending from Moodyz.

So does it mean anything? Yeah I know long term it means nothing. But I ask even for that one vid, SSNI-356 will it mean anything? I am a little afraid it wouldn't matter. Statistically I guess I can tell apart Moodyz Diva (MIDE) from SSNI, by that I mean show me a hundred covers from either, and I would guess correctly MIDE vs SSNI more than 50% of the time. But for an individual vid, I don't think I can tell the difference between them... So all that fuss, the fans will end up getting the same vanilla vid. (the text description of the vid already was released: "bodily fluid exchange, close and tight intercourse, 13 times ejaculation" yep vanilla as vanilla white.

Reminds me when S1 loaned Rion to E-Body for one vid. Statistically E-Body has more interesting themes/planning than S1. But perhaps inevitably Rion's EBOD baptism is even more splat than her standard vanilla S1 vids.
 
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https://twitter.com/TS_takasho/status/1038261620877606912?s=19

"There's a filming session today,
This is just work and everybody's doing their part. So it doesn't matter what one person's opinion is"

The date of this tweet matches up with her S1 title production timeframe and that specific title is part of a series which is famous for featuring a certain fat actor that Takahashi had dodged so far....
 
Your usual invective again... is there any justification at all for using the word "dodged"??
 
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Your usual invective again... is there any justification at all for using the word "dodged"??
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How many actresses are you aware about not making Yoshimura their co-star ? Even the Japanese are calling her out on that.
 
In the entertainment world, there are many pairings that a fan would say "I can't believe they have never worked together". It could be "dodging" it could be purely chance. Shokotas career is, so far, only 30 vids under one single roof. With 80 active studs (17 very active) in the industry, it's very likely she miss one or more individual studs over a 30-vids career based on pure random chance. If you want, I can work out a mathematical proof.

She doesn't need to make any excuse to anyone, even if she is really dodging certain studs. Her stature entitles her to be picky.

Perhaps her stature requires her to be picky.

Yes in a way I want to see her getting some "bald guy" treatment (don't know how else to ID him, he's the one who made Rio Hamasaki emotional break down in a CESD vid). But I can also understand the thinking (most likely similar in the minds of S1 and her agency) to keep her as diva-princess as long as possible.

Anyway... what's your justification using the word the in the Japanese? So far everytime I challenge you like that, you fail the test. Everytime I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME. That's freaking amazing.
 
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Saw the gossip that she's releasing a vid under S1 in December. My first reaction was holy shit S1 is the Evil Empire, they've head-hunted (bust-hunted? pussy-hunted?) a super star replacement for their recent loss (Rion etc). But no... phew... S1 made very very explicit that Shoko is still Moodyz's asset. This will be a one-off lending from Moodyz.

So does it mean anything? Yeah I know long term it means nothing. But I ask even for that one vid, SSNI-356 will it mean anything? I am a little afraid it wouldn't matter. Statistically I guess I can tell apart Moodyz Diva (MIDE) from SSNI, by that I mean show me a hundred covers from either, and I would guess correctly MIDE vs SSNI more than 50% of the time. But for an individual vid, I don't think I can tell the difference between them... So all that fuss, the fans will end up getting the same vanilla vid. (the text description of the vid already was released: "bodily fluid exchange, close and tight intercourse, 13 times ejaculation" yep vanilla as vanilla white.

Reminds me when S1 loaned Rion to E-Body for one vid. Statistically E-Body has more interesting themes/planning than S1. But perhaps inevitably Rion's EBOD baptism is even more splat than her standard vanilla S1 vids.
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Hokuto owns both so it really doesn't mean much, they can loan or move whoever they want wherever they want probably.

I like her, she's just not really that interesting to talk about, she's like Julia hot as fuck, solid performer but not much else to say about her
 
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jwlim80 said:
https://twitter.com/TS_takasho/status/1038261620877606912?s=19

"There's a filming session today,
This is just work and everybody's doing their part. So it doesn't matter what one person's opinion is"

The date of this tweet matches up with her S1 title production timeframe and that specific title is part of a series which is famous for featuring a certain fat actor that Takahashi had dodged so far....
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jwlim80 said:
How many actresses are you aware about not making Yoshimura their co-star ? Even the Japanese are calling her out on that.
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You know in porn, lots of actors and actresses have no list(aka I will not perform with certain people) it's very common, IF she doesn't want to fuck someone she doesn't have to, there's no reason to care about that besides trying to start drama, for drama sake
 
I will just let some numbers do the talking :-

https://twitter.com/yua_mikami/
https://twitter.com/TS_takasho/

See the difference in the numbers of followers between the 2 ? Granted Mikami got a 6 months headstart, but Takahashi had already been bit of a name before she got into porn while Mikami is just another face in a well known group.

The difference between them is Mikami has the dare-to-do attitude from the start and had already co-star with a wide range of male co-star from the start while Takahashi is more reserved and stick to the usual few.

Sure Takahashi had the rights to do so, but she will have to balance it out in term of her popularity. Though, to her credit, she had ventured out of her comfort zone this year with older male co-stars, some twice her age, starring in more sombre titles. She even start to take semen in her mouth in the latest release that results in stellar reviews. So I say the girl knows how she should proceed with her career and had already starts getting off her high horse.
 
Hmm are you saying Shokotas should do more old fat and ugly guys because Yua-nyan has twice more twitter followers? I think you'd have a very difficult time convincing Shokotas or anyone.

Going back to DMM search data (much more meaningful than Twitter stats) Yua's number for year 2017-18 is higher than Shoko's but just barely. If your logic should hold, shouldn't Shoko copy rank #1 Kirara Asuka instead of Yua? Meaning she should stop making AV and go inactive. If you look at last half year, it seems Yua's career is more wobbly than Shoko's, distracted by unwise tactics (and strategy?) in her K-pop adventure.

Anyone, not just the two of them, should always seek self-improvement. But where to seek directions and suggestions? Certainly not some sour jerk-fans.
 
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The difference between them is Mikami has the dare-to-do attitude from the start and had already co-star with a wide range of male co-star from the start while Takahashi is more reserved and stick to the usual few.

Sure Takahashi had the rights to do so, but she will have to balance it out in term of her popularity. Though, to her credit, she had ventured out of her comfort zone this year with older male co-stars, some twice her age, starring in more sombre titles. She even start to take semen in her mouth in the latest release that results in stellar reviews. So I say the girl knows how she should proceed with her career and had already starts getting off her high horse.
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Are you saying that Shoko isn't more popular because she doesn't fuck more guys? That doesn't make sense, her issue is how she is as a performer, and not who she fucks. She could fuck one guy her whole career, and if she fucked like Yua Mikami with that one person nobody would even care about her male talent.

Also as you said about her "stellar reviews'' taking semen in the mouth, that has nothing to do with her male co stars, it's more her expanding on what she already does, and whose to say her taking things slow isn't a business decision? if she doesn't go to S1 then her first Creampie is going to make money, every new little thing she does will get more buys, if you do everything in that first year then where is left to go for your next big payday theme?

Also what's that High Horse comment about? Wow she doesn't want to fuck someone that you want her to fuck, so she's on a high horse? She can fuck or not fuck who she wants, and fan opinion should never matter because it isn't ours, or anyone elses body, it is hers.


edit: you say the same uncofirmed stuff on Scanlovers

jwlim80
  • "We shall see. Lots of Japanese have noticed about her hesitance to work with Yoshimura and will pay money to watch her debut title with the guy. It's like seeing her lose her virginity all over"
  • "Takahashi herself never made it clear, it's just something people noticed.

    It could be something her agency did to play up her Diva status for all we know just so they could reap the rewards when the time come."
  • "Nothing solid to confirm that. But what is certain she had been working with some older co-stars that are twice her age of late."
Like seriously show us some evidence besides(not a fan forum post like here) "lots of Japanese" because so far it just looks like you are trying to make something out of nothing
 
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