Mikami Yua and other Girls Next Door

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I agree with you. She is definitely under rate. She quite a beauty. She has a beautiful face with a lovely smile, that go great with facials. Her body is slim but has nice curves , ass and boobs. her skin is unreal, even in film you just get the impression that its super soft. One thing about her that i notice is that unlike many other jav idols who have the natural school girl, lolita, mature or OL look is that you can tell right alway that she works on her appearances. To me she has more of a high class (rich) women look than girl next door but i can see way you would label her the girl next door.

She is not under rated at all, always ranking on top of the DMM rankings and other sales charts for almost every video, even her latest Sept. release is at the top for reservations.

 
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Ai Uehara is definitely not "girl next door" type IMO. She way too aggressive and slutty to fit into that category. Same goes for Mao Hamasaki.

Here's the top definition from the ever scholarly Urban Dictionary:
Every guy may have his specific girl-next-door prototype, but in general, she's the girl whom you always admired from afar and were afraid to approach, fearing that any erotic projection toward her would ruin her image as a decent, pure and almost virginal womanly ideal.

She's (in your mind at least) untrodden ground; unspoiled by other men and so sweet-natured it almost frightens you to think of her in explicit sexual situations. Almost. Here's another example: Picture your sister's best friend from when you were kids. In your mind she'll always be that 10-year-old cutie who played with you in the park. Only, when you catch up with her 10 years later, she's still a cutie, but all grown up and someone you can trust and connect with on so many new levels. The intrigue grows.

Similarly, she could be a friend's cousin whom you met at family occasions over the years. Or even a new employee at work who is shy and unassuming, but still gives you that "she seems so nice, I'd love to talk to her" feeling.

So yea, Ai Uehara does not give off that vibe at all.

Actresses that fit the "girl next door" category will typically film just normal sex scenes with at most a facial or cum-in-mouth at the end. Its rare to see actresses with more than 7-8 videos (give or take) to avoid more extreme stuff than this. After a certain number of videos they start doing 3P then gangbangs, r***, bukkake, gokkun, etc.

Here's a few who I think fit the "girl next door" type:
Cocoa Himeno
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Airi Suzumura - I know she has a ton of videos but she still retains her pure image
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Akane Azusa
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She is not under rated at all, always ranking on top of the DMM rankings and other sales charts for almost every video, even her latest Sept. release is at the top for reservations.

What i was trying to say was that while she does seem to be moving dvds and getting awards. She doesn't seem to have that same aura about her that other jav idols seem to have. Their are lot of hardcore Tsubomi, Shunka Ayami, Ai Uehara, Hitomi fans out there, but i never meet seen anyone say that Mikami Yua is the favorite actress. Unlike these other idols, which is common to find fans on any forum.
 

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What i was trying to say was that while she does seem to be moving dvds and getting awards. She doesn't seem to have that same aura about her that other jav idols seem to have. Their are lot of hardcore Tsubomi, Shunka Ayami, Ai Uehara, Hitomi fans out there, but i never meet seen anyone say that Mikami Yua is the favorite actress. Unlike these other idols, which is common to find fans on any forum.

I mean you are comparing a newcomer to industry veterans, of course they are going to have a stronger fanbase, plus she's a Muteki girl her exposure is lesser then the other girls on forums.
 

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I have a quick question. How did you post the final two images in your post so that when you click on the preview you got the whole image?
You click on "upload a file", then you will have your file's name below your message. There, you click on "Thumbnail".

Ai Uehara is definitely not "girl next door" type IMO. She way too aggressive and slutty to fit into that category. Same goes for Mao Hamasaki.

Here's the top definition from the ever scholarly Urban Dictionary:


So yea, Ai Uehara does not give off that vibe at all.

Actresses that fit the "girl next door" category will typically film just normal sex scenes with at most a facial or cum-in-mouth at the end. Its rare to see actresses with more than 7-8 videos (give or take) to avoid more extreme stuff than this. After a certain number of videos they start doing 3P then gangbangs, r***, bukkake, gokkun, etc.

Here's a few who I think fit the "girl next door" type:
Cocoa Himeno
118bgn013pl.jpg


Airi Suzumura - I know she has a ton of videos but she still retains her pure image
118abp277pl.jpg


Akane Azusa
ipz263pl.jpg

I should check Airi Suzumura, I've seen her name a lot but that's about it, I didn't look further.


I mean you are comparing a newcomer to industry veterans, of course they are going to have a stronger fanbase, plus she's a Muteki girl her exposure is lesser then the other girls on forums.

I was about to write the same. Shunka Ayami (the newest in your examples) started in 2012. So she is in the business for a while already. Yua started in 2015.
 

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Ai Uehara is definitely not "girl next door" type IMO. She way too aggressive and slutty to fit into that category. Same goes for Mao Hamasaki.

I mean her face not her perform, she look natural standart girl, and thats what I like from her and Wakaba Ono, girl next door going wild
 

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Their are lot of hardcore Tsubomi, Shunka Ayami, Ai Uehara, Hitomi fans out there, but i never meet seen anyone say that Mikami Yua is the favorite actress. Unlike these other idols, which is common to find fans on any forum.
There's a bit of what paparoach said, the other point you are missing is that, we are in the English "world" here. There's the (obviously) Japanese JAV world, but there are other fandoms that track but not identical to the Japan fandom. There's at least an English fandom and a Chinese fandom. For an example of divergence between the fandoms, Hitomi and Anri Okita are much bigger (PUN intended) in the English fandom than in the Japanese fandom. Whereas Sora Aoi was more popular in the Chinese fandom than in either Japan or English fandom. (partly due to China/HK/TW still loving her long after retirement)

No question Yua Mikami is more successful in Japan than global. Her schtick is her SKB career and a steady stream of notoriety stories in Japanese gossip mags. The rest of world (such as myself) don't care as much about the "scandals" and tend to judge her as yet-another AV newbie. So if you are only tracking English media you might think she's underrated and if you follow only Japanese buzz, you'd think she's overratted. Both might be correct.

IMHO, from a couple of her recent TEK vids. I think she is moving in the right direction. Perhaps her short career as a minor idol does make a difference. She has more than 2 facial expressions and can talk and smile for the camera. She's dropped her diva altitude and performing sex acts like a professional. Her looks is slightly "old girl", there's a chance she will become a MILF before you know it. Her face, A-class, not S-class not even A+. Her figure, very very nice, but age could catch up with her so fast... Anyway I wouldn't mind if she ramp up her output to more than 1 vid a month and do more genres and fetishes. And exploit her acting ability, give her more stories, more plots. I promise not to fast-forward scenes even when she's not naked.
 

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maybe before she completely changed her appearance she could've been, but her appearance up to her retirement wasn't girls next door viby

yes, I agree

her appearance up to her retirement was changed, different from her early videos
 

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Ai Uehara is definitely not "girl next door" type IMO. She way too aggressive and slutty to fit into that category.

Woah... OK I am not a fan of Ai Uehara either (managed to miss each of her 50 retirement vids) but how is she not "girl-next-door" stereotype. The Urban dictionary version is IMHO invalid here. That version is about the girl that one (young guy) may have the hots for. First of all, that's a IRL situation. Here we are discussing JAV. Second we are talking about generality (within JAV) and/or typecasting. E.g. Ayumi Shinoda is a typecast MILF. Shuri Atomi 跡美しゅり is a slutty lolita typecast, Aika is a black gyaru typecast, Hitomi is a milk bags typecast.

Aika is a particular interesting example, I happen to think she's a terrible gyaru, she s' not at all convincing trying to carry the bitchy "I"ve run of out fucks to give" (yea is there a pun in there?) persona. But she wear that spray-tan 365 days a year so we have to give her that typecast.

For girl-next-door, the moment she starts undressing or even kissing a guy, even the moment she start having a real conversation (not just greetings) we have to stop judging her girl-next-door-ness. How she's a hyperslut once she's in the bedroom (or dungeon!) is totally irrelevant.

I think a girl-next-door typecast in JAV can have an objective definition: a girl or young woman who's cute or pretty but not amazingly beautiful (therefore intimidating) whose make-up, dressing habit, mannerism isn't particularly sexy, gorgeous, glamorous, or even very self-conscious. Attractive and desirable but not conspicuously so.

Ai Uehara, while still clothed, in the typical cloths that she wears for DVD covers etc, is perfectly representative of 'girl-next-door'. Particularly, her tits aren't small at all, but how she dresses typically doesn't make you focus on her figure. Samewise her face is pretty but not traffic-stopping beautiful is hallmark 'girl-next-door'. The fact that we have all seen her done the most depraved sex acts with any men or things that moves or probe or squirt slimy fluid is quite besides the point. Her biggest selling point is she's the girl next door who's really a nymphomaniac.

Yes... I understand... last few months she's trying mighty hard to establish some kind of sucking/fucking/sodomizing world record with her retirement videos and so our perception has been distorted but objectively speaking, (ok... let's exclude her most recent catalog) she's still the girl-next-door typecast up to (almost) the end.
 
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IMHO, from a couple of her recent TEK vids. I think she is moving in the right direction. Perhaps her short career as a minor idol does make a difference. She has more than 2 facial expressions and can talk and smile for the camera. She's dropped her diva altitude and performing sex acts like a professional. Her looks is slightly "old girl", there's a chance she will become a MILF before you know it. Her face, A-class, not S-class not even A+. Her figure, very very nice, but age could catch up with her so fast... Anyway I wouldn't mind if she ramp up her output to more than 1 vid a month and do more genres and fetishes. And exploit her acting ability, give her more stories, more plots. I promise not to fast-forward scenes even when she's not naked.
Doubt she's going to be a more then one vid a month girl for a long time, but yeah she's moving in the right direction, and if she where to leave Muteki it would likely to be an S1S1, or SOD all the AKB/SKE girls have gone to SOD, but she might be "Above" that and join S1S1
 

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There's a bit of what paparoach said, the other point you are missing is that, we are in the English "world" here. There's the (obviously) Japanese JAV world, but there are other fandoms that track but not identical to the Japan fandom. There's at least an English fandom and a Chinese fandom. For an example of divergence between the fandoms, Hitomi and Anri Okita are much bigger (PUN intended) in the English fandom than in the Japanese fandom. Whereas Sora Aoi was more popular in the Chinese fandom than in either Japan or English fandom. (partly due to China/HK/TW still loving her long after retirement)

No question Yua Mikami is more successful in Japan than global. Her schtick is her SKB career and a steady stream of notoriety stories in Japanese gossip mags. The rest of world (such as myself) don't care as much about the "scandals" and tend to judge her as yet-another AV newbie. So if you are only tracking English media you might think she's underrated and if you follow only Japanese buzz, you'd think she's overratted. Both might be correct.

I think your right. Assuming that their are all least three fandoms, in all likely hood more. Each fandoms has its one unique taste and preferences. Japan fandom seems to like Kawaii, JK and lolita idols. China fandom seems to like more western looking idols who are taller, have slim bodies and pretty faces. The English fandoms seem to have the widest varying in term of taste and preferences of the all the fandoms. Still all the fandoms have certain level of variance, because they are made up on individuals with individual taste and preferences. You can always find niche groups in every fandom that like and prefer something outside or counter what is more popular in that fandom. Its just that their doesn't seem to be a consensuses about the type of JAV idols the English fandom like, past "we love Japanese women". The thing is that they are several JAV idol and legends that transcended all three fandoms and have gather large following across all fandoms. As a result they have establish them self are all time great.

Guys who are some JAV idols that you think have been able to reach across all three fandoms?

I think that Sora Aoi, Yuma Asami, Maria Ozawa, Tsubomi, Shunka Ayami off the top of my head that fall into this category.
 
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By Urban Dictionary's definition, any girl that appears in porn is not "girl next door" type. All the girls we are discussing are porn stars! So I don't agree with their definition.

Ai Uehara I think is the very definition of "girl next door". For a long time I thought she was nothing special. But when I finally saw her in action, I was very impressed. She is very deceptively average.
 
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Woah... OK I am not a fan of Ai Uehara either (managed to miss each of her 50 retirement vids) but how is she not "girl-next-door" stereotype. The Urban dictionary version is IMHO invalid here. That version is about the girl that one (young guy) may have the hots for. First of all, that's a IRL situation. Here we are discussing JAV. Second we are talking about generality (within JAV) and/or typecasting. E.g. Ayumi Shinoda is a typecast MILF. Shuri Atomi 跡美しゅり is a slutty lolita typecast, Aika is a black gyaru typecast, Hitomi is a milk bags typecast.

Aika is a particular interesting example, I happen to think she's a terrible gyaru, she s' not at all convincing trying to carry the bitchy "I"ve run of out fucks to give" (yea is there a pun in there?) persona. But she wear that spray-tan 365 days a year so we have to give her that typecast.

For girl-next-door, the moment she starts undressing or even kissing a guy, even the moment she start having a real conversation (not just greetings) we have to stop judging her girl-next-door-ness. How she's a hyperslut once she's in the bedroom (or dungeon!) is totally irrelevant.

I think a girl-next-door typecast in JAV can have an objective definition: a girl or young woman who's cute or pretty but not amazingly beautiful (therefore intimidating) whose make-up, dressing habit, mannerism isn't particularly sexy, gorgeous, glamorous, or even very self-conscious. Attractive and desirable but not conspicuously so.

Ai Uehara, while still clothed, in the typical cloths that she wears for DVD covers etc, is perfectly representative of 'girl-next-door'. Particularly, her tits aren't small at all, but how she dresses typically doesn't make you focus on her figure. Samewise her face is pretty but not traffic-stopping beautiful is hallmark 'girl-next-door'. The fact that we have all seen her done the most depraved sex acts with any men or things that moves or probe or squirt slimy fluid is quite besides the point. Her biggest selling point is she's the girl next door who's really a nymphomaniac.

Yes... I understand... last few months she's trying mighty hard to establish some kind of sucking/fucking/sodomizing world record with her retirement videos and so our perception has been distorted but objectively speaking, (ok... let's exclude her most recent catalog) she's still the girl-next-door typecast up to (almost) the end.

you understand what I mean as "next door girl" type in JAV :top:
 

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Doubt she's going to be a more then one vid a month girl for a long time, but yeah she's moving in the right direction, and if she where to leave Muteki it would likely to be an S1S1, or SOD all the AKB/SKE girls have gone to SOD, but she might be "Above" that and join S1S1

S1 style now is not suitable with my taste anymore :(

so would be better if she goes freelance, and try to work with many studios, with various different styles
 
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Guys who are some JAV idols that you think have been able to reach across all three fandoms?

I think that Sora Aoi, Yuma Asami, Maria Ozawa, Tsubomi, Shunka Ayami off the top of my head that fall into this category.

Ai Uehara and Haruki Sato ?

from what I've learned more difficult for big boobs and mixed girls to get very popular in Japan, while they can be big hits outside Japan
 

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You guys are taking the Urban Dictionary thing too seriously lol.

Everyone has their own opinion on what "girl next door" means. We can agree that one of the factors is how they look, but I think what is more important is their personality which should have characteristics of being sweet-natured, innocent, and pure.

And so I find it difficult to see how an aggressive, slut like Ai Uehara fits this description. Compare the shy, sweet personality of Airi Suzumura to the aggressive, cock hungry style of Ai Uehara and I think you'll know what I mean.
 

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You guys are taking the Urban Dictionary thing too seriously lol.

Everyone has their own opinion on what "girl next door" means. We can agree that one of the factors is how they look, but I think what is more important is their personality which should have characteristics of being sweet-natured, innocent, and pure.

And so I find it difficult to see how an aggressive, slut like Ai Uehara fits this description. Compare the shy, sweet personality of Airi Suzumura to the aggressive, cock hungry style of Ai Uehara and I think you'll know what I mean.

I think because you love loli so your "girl next door" definition : innocent and pure

for me girl next door don't need to be innocent and pure

ding73ding wrote above, girl next door who's really a nymphomaniac is what I like, they are much more fun than the innocent, pure & passive type
 
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