Tokyo manga ban now in effect

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ane-san

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Governor Ishihara’s initiative to rid Tokyo of depraved 2D filth has finally come into effect on the first of July, making it a crime to distribute any anime, manga or game the government deems “unhealthy” without consigning it to the same channels hardcore porn is distributed by.
In the best traditions of Japanese law making, the law itself is vague and its application is entirely in the hands of unaccountable civil servants and very nearly unaccountable politicians like Ishihara and his deputy Naoki Inose, both of whom have made their loathing for manga, anime and games no secret.
The law itself specifically targets (2D) content which “improperly glorifies or promotes illegal sexual activity,” a notably broad definition which Tokyo, for the time being at least, has clarified as specifically targeting “works depicting women enjoying being r***ing or incest as being fun.” It is widely expected that underage sexual activity (i.e. anything involving schoolgirls) is intended to be part of the ban in due course.
The actual scope of the law excludes novels (otherwise Ishihara would be in the unique position of banning his own novels, which feature lurid tales of underage r***) and photographic material. Although drafted with manga foremost in mind, it is also intended to cover anime and, in principle at least, also supplants Japan’s game censorship regime.
The letter of the law also suggests events such as Comiket are now technically illegal, and if permitted are only allowed to continue on government sufferance – at present the only thing supporting Comiket’s legality is a series of tweets by vice governor Inose in which he invents various legal arguments, such as that Comiket is in “festival space” and that doujinshi publishers are not actually “publishers” and so are not covered by the ordinance.
The law has already been ferociously criticised by mangaka and the publishing industry for its vagueness and indiscriminate nature, with many concerned that fear of the ban alone will cause nationwide “self-censorship” so as to avoid being shut out of the mainstream publishing industry.
Several high profile works, such as Akisora, have already been banned, but it is likely that the majority of the law’s effect will be from publishers quietly cancelling or declining to publish material they feel Ishihara might disapprove of, as some mangaka have already reported.
 

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yeah the manga series Aki Sora (Aki & Sora) was one of the first to get banned for ex...

ref. to the incest topic...
 

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The law itself specifically targets (2D) content which “improperly glorifies or promotes illegal sexual activity,” a notably broad definition which Tokyo, for the time being at least, has clarified as specifically targeting "works depicting women enjoying being r***ing or incest as being fun.”

loophole: Manga depicting women being r***ing is allowed, they just can't enjoy it. Manga depicting incest is allowed, they just can't have fun.

Seriously though, I'm sure the ban will be lifted sooner or later. Either that or some kind of clever loopholes will be employed by mangaka/publishers.
 

spikier

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it must be the end of the world.

i never thought this would actually happen; i always took it as a joke.

not only is this absurd, it also violates people's 'freedom of expression'.

japan, please don't turn into another america.

speaking of "america", i smell a conspiracy; Ishihara is being paid off. an under-the-table deal.
 

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Tokyo, for the time being at least, has clarified as
specifically targeting “works depicting women enjoying being r***ing..."

And this is significantly different from works depicting women being r***ing 'normally'? Sounds like a colossally stupid piece of legislation aimed at exerting conservative moral norms rather than doing anything intended to protect women or children.
 

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I live in Japan and in the usual fashion most people do not actually understand what the law means, who it will effect or why they should care. Uniformity is key and all things that would end a harmony in society should be extinguished. It is sad to see such ignorance under the guise of having to. The only people in Japan who are opposed to this are of course Manga publishers as well as Otaku and the newly increasing NEETs and Freeters of whom are the mangas largest market. The second market however, Salarymen between the ages of 25 and 40 are noticably quiet. The most surprising thing is that in the history of Japanese manga / prints, rabid homosexuality and incest has never been a problem. Until now... Needless to say, the earthquake / tsunami has managed to make lawmakers completetly ignorant of what they are actually passing in favour of rushing through anything that could seem to help the already ailing situation it (the Japanese Government) has put itself in. Looking at Texas April 1971 we can see what Japan is doing at the moment.

http://www.futilitycloset.com/2010/07/12/a-blind-aye/

Dont expect this to be the last by Ishihara and dont expect too many more people here to jump up and down about the things he tries to pass either.
 

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Keep in mind that the "ban" doesn't mean targeted titles are completely banned. They are just not available anymore in the normal shops. They are sold together with your usual adult magazines (Comic LO, Comic Tenma, Comic Megastore, etc) or adult mangas (Linda, Type90, Hoshino Fuuta, etc).

So to say, for foreigners (and leechers lol), the situation will not change.
 

Ceewan

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Keep in mind that the "ban" doesn't mean targeted titles are completely banned. They are just not available anymore in the normal shops. They are sold together with your usual adult magazines (Comic LO, Comic Tenma, Comic Megastore, etc) or adult mangas (Linda, Type90, Hoshino Fuuta, etc).

So to say, for foreigners (and leechers lol), the situation will not change.

Just what I had originally thought. The argument that I was presented with is that because many manga will not be available to as wide a market that this will force many producers to cancel production.

Again there is the argument that this is only a Tokyo wide law and that this will or should not affect sales. The general opinion seems that it will because the market in Tokyo is huge.

I suppose only time will tell exactly what impact this law will have. Until then all we can do is speculate.
 

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Seriously though, I'm sure the ban will be lifted sooner or later. Either that or some kind of clever loopholes will be employed by mangaka/publishers.
Keep in mind that the "ban" doesn't mean targeted titles are completely banned. They are just not available anymore in the normal shops.
But the end effect is the same. An outright ban would be far simpler for authors and publishers to recognize what themes to avoid. As it is, judgment on manga circulation is completely arbitrary, and reviewed by essentially Ishihara's own people (eg: not independently).

Basically, the manga ban was crafted in such a way to allow legislatures their own loophole to freely "ban" anything they deem inappropriate, preventing authors and publishers from finding their own ways around the law.

And the effect is devastating. Because there are no clear guidelines on what separates 18+ manga from general circulation manga, authors and publishers have no way of knowing ahead of time how their works will be classified. Which means mangaka must either censor themselves heavily in order to ensure general circulation, or accept a smaller 18+ audience (and lesser pay) in order to publish their works.

A number of publishers have already notified their authors to stop using specific themes that may risk being considered "18+ only". Some stores even in Osaka have stopped carrying certain titles. The TAF boycott and possible impact on Comiket cannot be ignored. And it's unlikely the ban will be lifted anytime soon, both because 1) the people who want the ban lifted represent only a small minority, and 2) there are no "manga-friendly" candidates to replace Ishihara (his most likely replacement is a junior in Yokohama who is only interested in kissing ass to work his way up the political ladder).
 

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Wait, isn't this law for manga that isn't 18+? If it is... why is comiket also considered illegal? All the material sold there are pretty much 18+ anyway... (although you still see some under-aged kids running around there) ... I wonder how this law would effect this years summer comic market...
 

Tria

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Objectively speaking, the law is discriminatory and vague in nature, and will damage a specific industry, so why aren't people from that industry (publishers, studios, etc) filed a lawsuit against the enactment of the law (or even the law itself)? At least to make the law not discriminatory (i.e. applicable to all published material), which will then cause more support against the law in the long run.
All I read so far is that, the industry is only protesting and trying to boycott some events which I doubt will make much of a difference.

I'm curious about that, does anyone know why?
(unless of course if it has been done and is currently on progress)
 

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why aren't people from that industry (publishers, studios, etc) filed a lawsuit against the enactment of the law (or even the law itself)?
Because Japanese manga publishers have almost no connections with people in the government. No matter how many appeals you bring before the government, if you have no legislative support, the governing party can simply continue to ignore you.

The alternative way is (for the publishers) to convince the public to stop supporting the government (ie: stop voting for Ishihara), which will either force the government to revise/repeal the law in order to appease the constituency, or will simply replace the party with another that is more manga-friendly. But the number of public who are sympathetic with the publishers' and authors' plight is very, very small.

The "manga ban" has actually been in discussion for a long time, with original versions targeting only lolicon-, r***-, or violence-themed material. At the time, publishers were already concerned about losing freedom of speech, but the government promised it would work together with the manga industry to develop a law both capable of protecting children and friendly to publishers/authors. Unfortunately, (according to some people in the manga industry) those discussions never took place and we now have the broad "manga ban" in place. But as the manga industry has almost no governmental connections, there's nothing they can really do.

The boycotts will have some effect, but as is usual with these types of disputes, the real losers are the consumers. Despite manga's (and anime's) booming worldwide popularity, this sort of ban could result in manga being just another Japanese cultural highlight, rather than a cultural export.
 

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Because Japanese manga publishers have almost no connections with people in the government. No matter how many appeals you bring before the government, if you have no legislative support, the governing party can simply continue to ignore you.
No, but I think that, as Tria said, filing a lawsuit against the enactment of the law would put the legality of the law in question as opposed to the situation before it was enacted. If it went to a public trial, I think they would have to bring evidence to support the need of such a law.

But, well, it's true I'm not completely well versed in this subject, so I could be totally worng.
 

Ceewan

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No, but I think that, as Tria said, filing a lawsuit against the enactment of the law would put the legality of the law in question as opposed to the situation before it was enacted. If it went to a public trial, I think they would have to bring evidence to support the need of such a law.

But, well, it's true I'm not completely well versed in this subject, so I could be totally worng.

Don't feel pregnant, the Japan judicial system is somewhat of a mystery to me as well, especailly civil law. I know Japan does have a constitution and from what little I have read the judicial branch is expected to uphold the rights of the citizens of Japan as guaranteed by the constituition. I do also know that the Japanese government can be sued, (a class action suit from 22,000 Okinawans is the latest), but I dont know what Japanese precedent or law there is that would give anyone the right to sue over this. You would think that if there was a legal recourse that the manga publishers had plenty of time to act on it.
 

Riqua

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Sorry to interrupt.

This is just only my personal opinion,
but as long as Tokyo Gov. Ishihara keeps angry eyes only on "unhealthy 2D" (anime/manga) stuff,
"unhealthy 3D" stuff commonly sold in Akiba, say, Junior Idol videos will survive behind his crackdown on 2D eroticism.

So all in all, if you're a JI fan, it's not so bad for the time being, isn't it? XD lolz
 

Ceewan

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Sorry to interrupt.

This is just only my personal opinion,
but as long as Tokyo Gov. Ishihara keeps angry eyes only on "unhealthy 2D" (anime/manga) stuff,
"unhealthy 3D" stuff commonly sold in Akiba, say, Junior Idol videos will survive behind his crackdown on 2D eroticism.

So all in all, if you're a JI fan, it's not so bad for the time being, isn't it? XD lolz

for the time being

Nice of you to input that into your comment, it may be more applicable than you care for. I would also think that this precedent of censorship could possibly be a future warning to JAV as well, particular "Fetish JAV".

In the spirit of momentary digression:
What is important is the thought behind this bill. What the government is doing is setting a precedent for curtailing media that is not merely unhealthy but they feel shines a bad light on Japan/Tokyo as a whole. They see this media as an embarassment that needs to be reigned in order to retain/regain the honor that it has cost them. What the bill does is allow the government of Tokyo to say that "this is unacceptable" and does more harm than good. Rather than banning the media outright the intent is to slowly choke it to death by making it less profitable and confining it to the less accessable areas of retail. Whether they are right or wrong is immaterial. What is important is this opens the door for them to oppose other media on the same grounds.

The danger to the Junior Idol industry is simple:
You cannot remove Junior Idol material from public sales to only adult sales. It would be a complete act of idiocy to say JI material cannot be viewed by the same people that star in the films themselves. So if JI material is deemed inappropriate to be viewed it will banned.

The danger to JAV fans is more hidden:
If the trend of censorship continues the likely conclusion is what is not safe for Japanese junior citizens is also not healthy for productive adult Japanese citizens. Thus, incest, r***, and perhaps BDSM and more could be in danger because they are deemed "immoral" or "unhealthy" or "sheds a bad light on Japan" or even "leads to criminal activitly".


This is how censorship works, it is akin to a disease that one cannot cure but can hope only to arrest.
 

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I doubt the opinion of a few foreigners will have any effect.

It really is a shame that there isn't more of a reaction from the Japanese. In the west we are quite sensitive when it comes to censorship of literature, but paint something as child protection and it usually gets the green light somehow. It's all quite grim.
 

Tria

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I dont know what Japanese precedent or law there is that would give anyone the right to sue over this. You would think that if there was a legal recourse that the manga publishers had plenty of time to act on it.

Is it possible then that they could file a lawsuit, but it's considered to be such an aggressive act they decided to put it as the very last resort?
You know, you would think that in a country categorizes itself as being democratic (as partial as it may be) there is a way file such lawsuit.

Then again, I'm not very familiar with law, but I can somehow see that as possibility, culturally speaking.

tl;dr did they decide not to sue because it's awkward?
 

Ceewan

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did they decide not to sue because it's awkward?

I had my little rant about censorship and all that but allow me to look at the other side of the coin for a moment.

No censorship at all is just chaos. It is only logical that there be some rules and guidelines in society to prevent this.

Young people are often very impressionable and what they see on television, hear in their music, play in their games or read in magazines can seriously influence their behavior. This is not debatable, it is a fact with plenty of evidence to back it up. Any adult who doubts me please try to remember the fads that were around when you were young and where they originated from. Based on these facts it is not unreasonable for a governing body to pass laws to protect children from unwanted influences which they may not be mentally prepared to deal with. A childs mind, like his body, must mature in order to reach adulthood. (Just exactly when this is accomplished is an unneccessary factor for the purposes of this discussion).

I understand all of this, I even find it reasonable to a certain extent. Censorship in moderation, like most things, is beneficial to society as a whole.

The reason I went into this new rant is simple: I would not want to sue the government over loss revenue when the law they are complaining about is specifically targeted towards the protection of children. If you do you are not going to find a lot of friends in your corner. You are going to look like a monster that is exploiting children for monetary gain. And that is why I think no company has filed suit over this law.