I never meant to imply you were knocking at homeless people and I don't think I implied anywhere that that's what I was trying to do. My comment about Scandinavia was merely a comment on your claim that high taxes and large government had anything to do with passive citizens(it's obviously my opinion that there isn't any connection) From my understanding it was more about taxation without representation that was the triggering factor, not just the taxation itself(and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong ) And yes I agree on the stepped on part, it's why I prefer a proportional representative democracy, because even if politicians go bad there too(politicians go bad everywhere) it's a easier to get rid of em, and it's easier to change the course of government(enough people just needs to vote for a different party/bloc in the next election), in the end the citizens have more power(in my opinion anyway) I don't know that I'd call it "penis envy" because I certainly wouldn't exchange my government for yours voluntarily and it certainly has nothing to do with needing to feel better about myself. One thing that usually annoys me is the typically American opinion that more capitalism and a smaller state is the solution to everything and that everybody who disagrees is a Communist(yes I'm generalizing so this isn't aimed at you or Summer-Time-Fun, although I did originally think that that's where Summer-Time-Fun was going). The internet being what it is, when politics ends up being discussed it's usually US politics, partly because there's a whole lot of Americans on the internet and partly because western media loves to spam the rest of us with Supreme Court this or that, Senate/House of Representatives this or that, Obama/GWB this or that so everybody gets some insight whether they want to or not. And as I said earlier I don't mind a good discussion so I've ended up discussing US politics before. Plus your government loves to put their fingers in everybody's cookie jars, so pretty much everybody ends up having an opinion on the US and the US Government. Barely anybody but the locals will ever know anything about Swedish, Belgian, South African or Indian politics, the most they'll know is that IKEA and ABBA are from Sweden and maybe that Sweden has a king. So while I certainly wouldn't mind discussing the flaws and problems of the Swedish government that just never happens because pretty much nobody has any clue whatsoever about it.