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That's a great question, Darmok.
MUM made some absolutely fantastic videos. I know nothing of this myself, and I'm not referencing MUM here, but sometimes studios close because of reasons unrelated to sales. The revival of particular brands across the porn spectrum speaks to this - and in an industry that's as ... non-normal as pornography, you're not always going to get people who are emotionally or financially wise/stable.
But yeah - there are a lot of genres that seemingly don't receive much or any interest anymore. Bukkake was so popular that it was adopted as a manner of course in much of the North American porn world, even if it wasn't directly sold as such, when you get like eight plus dudes dropping massive loads on a girl's face, like, c'mon. But, from Japan these days? Pretty much nothing.
The fact that loli is likewise dropping off is unfathomable. It's like a Japanese specific product that they can produce in a manner that no one else even comes close to, from the actresses to the pace and energy of the films. I can't see that the tall, A-cup, hairy-bush webcammers that screech at their audience in Cantonese are really drying up the sales in this genre.
If there was one industry I relied on not really getting bounced around by the Onlyfans aftershocks, it was JAV. But so many of the classic studios, and so many of the best actresses, are either gone or under-utilized. It's like no one has figured out how to make a hub that represents TeamSkeet, in that, one "mega corp" that houses fifteen or twenty studios, each with a specialty, and which can give longer contracts to actresses and have them explore a whole slew of genres.
Nothing is easy - nothing is really discoverable. Everything looks like it comes from a website circa 2005 - and it seems that the producers of this content are surprised that people use the Internet, and don't go down to their favorite XXX video boutique to pick up their products.
I mean, it's not as bad as all that, but did the passion for loli just evaporate into thin air? It makes no sense that no one can keep a loli studio afloat. I'm echoing what Darmok just asked. When it comes to loli ...
What's going on here?
MUM made some absolutely fantastic videos. I know nothing of this myself, and I'm not referencing MUM here, but sometimes studios close because of reasons unrelated to sales. The revival of particular brands across the porn spectrum speaks to this - and in an industry that's as ... non-normal as pornography, you're not always going to get people who are emotionally or financially wise/stable.
But yeah - there are a lot of genres that seemingly don't receive much or any interest anymore. Bukkake was so popular that it was adopted as a manner of course in much of the North American porn world, even if it wasn't directly sold as such, when you get like eight plus dudes dropping massive loads on a girl's face, like, c'mon. But, from Japan these days? Pretty much nothing.
The fact that loli is likewise dropping off is unfathomable. It's like a Japanese specific product that they can produce in a manner that no one else even comes close to, from the actresses to the pace and energy of the films. I can't see that the tall, A-cup, hairy-bush webcammers that screech at their audience in Cantonese are really drying up the sales in this genre.
If there was one industry I relied on not really getting bounced around by the Onlyfans aftershocks, it was JAV. But so many of the classic studios, and so many of the best actresses, are either gone or under-utilized. It's like no one has figured out how to make a hub that represents TeamSkeet, in that, one "mega corp" that houses fifteen or twenty studios, each with a specialty, and which can give longer contracts to actresses and have them explore a whole slew of genres.
Nothing is easy - nothing is really discoverable. Everything looks like it comes from a website circa 2005 - and it seems that the producers of this content are surprised that people use the Internet, and don't go down to their favorite XXX video boutique to pick up their products.
I mean, it's not as bad as all that, but did the passion for loli just evaporate into thin air? It makes no sense that no one can keep a loli studio afloat. I'm echoing what Darmok just asked. When it comes to loli ...
What's going on here?
still a few things out there. i found this at an oft-overlooked website:
[FC2-PPV-4734294] ★Bonus included★[Subjective] A roe breeding experience with maximum immersion. Be careful of Onuma when begging for your baby. I cant stop because Im addicted to super erotic pleasure, where I can come together by making lots of noises.
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FC2-PPV-4734294.mp4 (1762.3 Mb 6132 kb/s @ 1920x1080 40 min 11 s)
Nice find but this is kinda the exception that proves the rule.still a few things out there. i found this at an oft-overlooked website:
[FC2-PPV-4734294] ★Bonus included★[Subjective] A roe breeding experience with maximum immersion. Be careful of Onuma when begging for your baby. I cant stop because Im addicted to super erotic pleasure, where I can come together by making lots of noises.
ID: FC2-PPV-4734294
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File Type: MP4
FC2-PPV-4734294.mp4 (1762.3 Mb 6132 kb/s @ 1920x1080 40 min 11 s)
This thread is most viewed thread on the entire forum (I believe) at 6M views. But aside from some FC2 actresses, only 1 or 2 titles from major studios have been posted here in the past 8 months.
It's maybe for the best if industry wants to move away from the 'loli' theme. But seems like it's harder to find small and petite girls in AV. In Japan there are way more tiny girls than girls with huge tits and model bodies. Wonder if this is a change in what the Japanese audience finds attractive?
I don't think there was any action to shut down Loli themed videos I just think it comes down to the ability to make a profit. I remember when MUM shut down their website/production that was a pretty big hint that Loli was on the way out. Some of those early MUM videos were fantastic there was one MUM actress that did a few other videos(and these vids were relatively hard to find) and she didn't look nearly as good as she did in her 2 or 3 MUM videos. I guess the makeup/lighting/camerawork were of the highest quality, and that can't be cheap.
So yes, MUM shut down and I guess some of that production crew went on to start up PIYO, which never reached the same level of intensity. I'm also guessing it's just much, much easier to churn out the other genre's like creampie, big tits, etc. and make some sort of profit in this age of free adult content via piracy/websites. Today's JAV reminds me of what Hustler owner Larry Flynt said about porn valley back in 2007 "In a few years all but a few U.S. adult companies will be out of business". And he was right.
So yes, MUM shut down and I guess some of that production crew went on to start up PIYO, which never reached the same level of intensity. I'm also guessing it's just much, much easier to churn out the other genre's like creampie, big tits, etc. and make some sort of profit in this age of free adult content via piracy/websites. Today's JAV reminds me of what Hustler owner Larry Flynt said about porn valley back in 2007 "In a few years all but a few U.S. adult companies will be out of business". And he was right.
For me, I feel like AV loli type models aren't coming in with that look anymore, loli came in all shapes and sizes in my opinion, small or flat breast with the baby fat is rare now only certain studios still produce, but now I feel like its fake breast and BBL's are the new norm in JAV. Also, like I've said before, the whole incest loli theme is super rare now, but I've always liked the older man make-out session with them, so things such as teachers, store managers should have been a replacement
I think Ramp is correct on this one. The GOAT Piero Ta is stil the director for almost all Loli movies. He was back then with the very first MUM and still with the latest PIYO. That guy create absolute top tier one and now barely 1 out of 5 is good. So it has to be the models that are not coming in that look anymore.
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I wrote a long reply before but lost it. But I am sure demand for cute young-looking girls is timeless. And if this is true for anywhere it is true for Japan! It seems more likely big changes are due industry factors/politics. In short, I have read here about legal changes (like girls now allowed to have their scenes removed from sale), changes in how studios are run, shifting power dynamics between girls & studios, and of course how scenes are distributed and consumed is not the same as it was 15 years ago.
I don't know enough to say what are the big factors. But with the example of bukkake, there are still tons of girls in the west who are happy to do the most depraved things for reasonable payment. Here again I don't think girls getting drenched in cum would remain popular in the west while people lost interest in Japan, of all places. Also would any of these genres go straight from ubiquitous to silent? I'd think you would see a tapering off over years if there were just changes in audience tastes.
Basically, you have to consider the source and whether it is seems reasonable:
Are there no industry press in JAV, or insiders who have given/can give interviews about this kind of thing? I feel like that would give the best insight into bigger trends.
I don't know enough to say what are the big factors. But with the example of bukkake, there are still tons of girls in the west who are happy to do the most depraved things for reasonable payment. Here again I don't think girls getting drenched in cum would remain popular in the west while people lost interest in Japan, of all places. Also would any of these genres go straight from ubiquitous to silent? I'd think you would see a tapering off over years if there were just changes in audience tastes.
Basically, you have to consider the source and whether it is seems reasonable:
- Girls not available (either less pressure or less incentive to do work, changing culture (alternatives to JAV, societal attitudes), ?)
- Studios don't want (less profitable because of (demand (nobody wants to see young girls or bukkake/gokkun anymore), girls pulling their scenes too soon, market saturation), legit management doing more "above board" type of scenes instead of mafia types coercing more girls to do more things, ?)
- Studios want and girls available but some other obstacles (haven't adapted to new patterns of distribution and viewing, some new legal risks, trouble recruiting (girls not comfortable with studio or male actors, outreach methods behind the times, ?), directors not available, ineptitude, ?)
Are there no industry press in JAV, or insiders who have given/can give interviews about this kind of thing? I feel like that would give the best insight into bigger trends.
I sometimes read the blogs on Zenra.net about industry issues. Right now, the trend is AV models signing exclusive contracts, and there aren’t many freelancers. That feels unusual because freelancers are practically the lifeblood of the industry—especially AV models who may not be conventionally attractive but can handle the heavier work.