They lie to protect fans's fantasies. Remember those uncensored gb/orgy/bukakes/facials creampies. They can still fake them with angle shift/cut out the insert fake semen scene. I guess they don't want to get pregnant or stds like hpv or aids. Birth control pills & Biweekly mandatory checkups isn't a 100% guarantee especially there are a lot of amateurs that poses as fans doing the creampies. Too much facials can give some av actresses rashes too and they try hard to conceal that when it happens. Also, there are limited av actors and mainstream av idols generally only do it with the same dozen or guys, so they're pretty much dried up on certain days, so they probably need to fake the shooting blanks.
It's 2017 And Fake Cum Is Still A Thing
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There's a lot of crew member behind the scenes too and overhtinking it will ruin the moods. Minami kojima still haven't break her cute high pitch voice persona in av, events, or on her YouTube channel.
I am confused which side you are really on. But I will respond to this particular post.
Normally I wouldn't bother. Everyone is entitled to his opinion and sexual preference. Not just gay or lez or straight, but if someone is ONLY turned on by loli in sailor suit with an eye patch over her left eye (never the right) there's no point to waste my time or his time commenting on it.
But there's something wrong with not one fan, two fans, a hundred fans of a sub-sub-genre of a sub-sub-culture. There's something wrong with a significant portion of JAV fandom.
There is this juvenile, laughable obsession with sperm. On one hand, there's this insistence of real sperm, well I don't share that absoluteness of the insistence, but okay I kinda get that it's extra kinky to it (but that's new, back in my youth (pre-HIV days), every single hardcore vid is real sperm, back in those days sperm is as scary as saliva). But then there's this trend that fans have such a phobia of sperm, they project that phobia to the AV idols and presume the idols and the studio will take all the extra work to fake the sperm, to fake the facial, fake the creampie.
I was writing a long long post arguing why sperm, especially sperm from a professional JAV stud is perfectly safe and it's sensible that many (if not most) AV idols are able to take sperm on their face, mouth and pussy, for money. But then... it's pretty clear this argument isn't going to be won or lost on logics and facts. Look I am not gay and I am not poor, but I can tell you I have a price. If someone offer me enough money, I will swallow sperm from a well-known, recently tested JAV stud. Or better than money, if the reward is I can have sex with a fav AV idol, that's good enough. I will swallow the sperm, I will probably turn green and struggle not to puke, but I think I can keep it down for the reward.
Look I am not trying to prove I am sick, I am saying sperm isn't that dangerous or yucky. (it's pretty yucky, but hey I eat natto and raw oyster too) Just the same I really really don't enjoy eating pussy. But if there's a reward (money or women) I will do it.
So ok if you say some or many idols don't like sperm, yeah fine. Sperm isn't a lovely substance. But it's a professional work, if the fans want to see it and the studs are tested, you kinda have to either deal with it or change jobs. You can't expect the studio and the crew and the stud to go too far out of the way to make a fake sperm and to make it look real. You know there's a good size market for "safe" porn. Do the fucking with condom (thankful for mosaic) and then ejaculate on her face (close mouth and eyes), chest or butt. That used to be SOP. Only now we have this weird twisted combo of demanding real creampie (or bukkake) and at the same time not believing it.
I don't buy that JULIA is a sperm dodger, but even if she is, I would love her not any less. Her asset is her hotness, she sucks and she fucks that's awesome enough. Even if she make only "safe" porn she is still awesome. Anyway she's not a sperm dodger.
But the way that many fans obsess over it is getting a little nuts. My pet theory is that most of those fans are cherryboy otaku who have never exchange bodily fluid with anyone since they weaned from breast milk at age 6 and a half.
So actually I think nowadays the industry and idols is playing this kabuki theatre with the fans. So much of the fandom is now made up of cherry boys (and even cherry old men) they play up this "oh! creampie is so yucky, oh it's such a big deal we convince this (otherwise very common) idol to take creampie, come buy this creampie vid".
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If they can fake it well then it doesn't really matters to me. I'm sure the top girls like shoko takahashi can still choose to do vanilla pov and avoid cumshots because her works still sells. You can't fight that if she's being a diva that's trying to establish a baseline. I still see some western pornstars and av idols that avoid opening their mouth or dodges facials altogether. Semen can spread all sorts of stds like hpv and can't blame some girls that wanted to be safe. There's a lot of veterans and amateurs working in the industry. Sometimes, biweekly tests aren't guarantee. Some actors and actresses got infected and needed to take a break in secret. I think ed powers, the guy that took a lot of debuts' virginity(first time onscreen) got infected too and he always wears a condom. Also, with Caribbean getting attacks and av coercing claims, I wouldn't be surprise that more av idols are being more protective & demanding especially there are scale back and pay cuts.
The porn industry operating in L.A and Tokyo might be very strict about the health and sanitation of their actors and actresses, but usually they get infected in private when they're escorting. Tbh I don't think multiple creampies is safe even if everyone is tested to be negative.
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Back then people doesn't really criticize porn even if the sounds, lightings, makeups, etc are poor(so bad that people still cling on to these nostalgic titles) because it's a niche and rare, but nowadays there are so many genres, people are getting more greedy.
Jav & western porn nowadays are a lot more hardcore than what they used to with mainstream av idols like Ai uehara, who done all sorts of degrading titles. Most Viewers obviously dislikes faking semen, pov, vanilla, etc in general, but once they experience something better that's not too saturated and backward outdated, then They believe that this should be the staple of av. At least Giant testicles from av and long fake penises from western porn is not a mainstream genre. They're afraid the av industry if shifting back to making pink/softcore Vcinemas or bigger budget like flower and snakes due to the Japan image cleaning before the Olympics and av might be one of their priority. The bottom point is you can't expect every girls to be willing to do all those "disgraceful/degrading" acts Ai uehara does. Some regular av idols/pornstars just wanted to play safe like shoko. I'm sure some rather all the guys cum in their condoms if they have that choice and with mosaic reverting to a decade old giant pixel blocks and uncensored av sticking with amateurs, it's easy for studios to fake semen to please the girls. I'm sure the guys would be okay too since they're outnumber by the girls and probably shooting blanks by the end of the day to girls they can't get in to.
Also, You're saying fans raging over the usage of fake semen are crazy, but you're willing to swallow other dudes or your own cum in order to do it with your favorite av idol like Julia for money. We're just people discussing behind some screens, but that's still a bit of an exaggerating boast. lol I guess under certain circumstances, people won't feel shameful, disgust, degrading, remorse, or regret when they have the opportunity to have sex with a random hot av idol even if they're in a situation where they need to take turns doing her or be the last one. Usually, all those feelings are numb by strong anticipating lust, but once you achieve satisfication, all those feelings will surface. It's like those av idols that said they're coerced in to it. Some are real. Some are sour for not gaining fame & money while some changed. In the av world, people won't discrimate them and they might live a luxurious party life , but it's entirely different when they're older and trying to live stable & normal life with family, friends, and coworkers judging what kind of works you done in the past. The av fanbase is quite diverse IMO, but occasionally you might hear a few louder ones from some people. You might argue that there are even obsessive married dudes facing midlife crisis are just trolling. You just never know.
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OK... I admit I am a weirdo about certain things. I agree the average normal well-adjust men have some phobia about sperm and wouldn't swallow sperm for say under a millions dollars (I would call that man stupid (or super rich) if he refuse the million dollars for sperm-phobia). But that is an distraction (that I brought on myself... admit).
I agree you do have a valid point, there are so many new girls cycling through the industry, it's nearly impossible to be perfectly safe.
But that is not the sperm phobia thing, it's the condom thing. You get STD protection from condom, not from dodging sperm. Now shift the debate to condom then it would be more valid. Indeed, if the argument is (almost?) all censored scene being shot with condom... well I am not too sure how I feel about that.
I do wish the industry is sustainable and new girls keep joining and top idols have long careers, so if we all agree condom is the way to go (it's still that way for Ameriporn right?) then... too bad... I really prefer condomless porn, but if there's no way around that's the reality I have to accept.
So I don't demand real sperm, there's a small (tiny! with proper precaution) risk so I can understand there's a phobia. But if there's a market for it, and some studio/idol make such vids, I either believe it or suspend my disbelief, or just accept it's fake and enjoy the vid. Actually I really do believe some scenes are real. How many I can't say, but certainly not all the scenes have real sperm.
What really kinda annoy me is all the stupid marketing to target those juveniles, all the standard wordings "nakadashi", "pregnant", "impregnation", "dangerous day" (ovulation day). Come on, nakadashi (creampie) I understand, nudge nudge wink wink. But impregnation, dangerous day gangbang creampie? We see the same girls making 1 or more vids month after month, the studio wants to highlight the stupidest lie (the girl get sperm without protection) that makes absolute zero sense?
I just wish the industry can get on with it. If the sperm is real, well then it's just normal SOP, don't make a big deal out of it. Focus on recruiting hot girls and making good porns. If the sperm is fake, then stop treating the fans as idiots. Sure there's always a niche genre that obsess over one thing or another, I don't mind the existence of any niche/genre. But the whole mainstream is wrapped up in this silliness, with the all top idols and top studios in this idiotic situation.
I agree you do have a valid point, there are so many new girls cycling through the industry, it's nearly impossible to be perfectly safe.
But that is not the sperm phobia thing, it's the condom thing. You get STD protection from condom, not from dodging sperm. Now shift the debate to condom then it would be more valid. Indeed, if the argument is (almost?) all censored scene being shot with condom... well I am not too sure how I feel about that.
I do wish the industry is sustainable and new girls keep joining and top idols have long careers, so if we all agree condom is the way to go (it's still that way for Ameriporn right?) then... too bad... I really prefer condomless porn, but if there's no way around that's the reality I have to accept.
So I don't demand real sperm, there's a small (tiny! with proper precaution) risk so I can understand there's a phobia. But if there's a market for it, and some studio/idol make such vids, I either believe it or suspend my disbelief, or just accept it's fake and enjoy the vid. Actually I really do believe some scenes are real. How many I can't say, but certainly not all the scenes have real sperm.
What really kinda annoy me is all the stupid marketing to target those juveniles, all the standard wordings "nakadashi", "pregnant", "impregnation", "dangerous day" (ovulation day). Come on, nakadashi (creampie) I understand, nudge nudge wink wink. But impregnation, dangerous day gangbang creampie? We see the same girls making 1 or more vids month after month, the studio wants to highlight the stupidest lie (the girl get sperm without protection) that makes absolute zero sense?
I just wish the industry can get on with it. If the sperm is real, well then it's just normal SOP, don't make a big deal out of it. Focus on recruiting hot girls and making good porns. If the sperm is fake, then stop treating the fans as idiots. Sure there's always a niche genre that obsess over one thing or another, I don't mind the existence of any niche/genre. But the whole mainstream is wrapped up in this silliness, with the all top idols and top studios in this idiotic situation.
You got to give them credits with the clickbait-like titles. American porn titles still very often play on very cliche dumb puns that sort of rhymes even when it's not a parody porn. I'm sure most Japanese viewers knows and like fake sperm to fake pregantbelly, it's all there to stimulate your fantasies. The covers are done better than American too IMO, but they tends to reuse the same background and pose for every girl filming the same genre.
I just looked up the condom law in California. They pass weed, but reject condoms. It was a close vote though. A few articles even estimate 1 in 4 pornstars have stds. Sounds exagerating! Japan is safer with the condoms and if they fake their semen(excluding the real creampies in some uncensored and those huge fan gb/orgy facial maybe). even though Amerians only do facials 90% of the time when the girl kneel. Most of the guys are condomless when they're going in/out. The guys even get ready early and takes a while to unleash their loads after a long handjob at the end to prevent premature cumming, which happens sometimes.https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2016/11/08/californians-vote-condom-use-porn-actors/93464012/
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Does it really matter since we have all been taken for a ride with the fake names, age and background from the start ?
Now on topic, I can think of 2 reasons why they choose to go for the fake route.
1. Logistically speaking, the good guys with experience are overworked and there isn't time for them to be refilled. Any real payload by them will not be impressive looking.
2. Despite the shooting contract put most of the health and safety clause burden on the actress side, the studios don't really trust them. A side effect of the pill is that the hormone unbalance will cause obesity on a woman and so, some of the girls will cheat on their schduel. Unless the girls will accept a clause that they will forfeit the rights for compensation if any accidents occured.
Exactly! I know most of them would still lie about everything being real & how nice and safe the av industry is because that's also part of their contract/duty and in a way to protect the skeptical viewers's fantasies. Also, they're not going to risk the health of their prize idols with all those amateur/veteran creampies, facials, and swallowings. At least it's not softcore porn then it's fine.
that condom law was never intended to make things more safer, just make things waaaaay more expensive. When you have the heads of Wicked Pictures(a condom only studio) come out against the law you know there's something wrong with it.
Also comparing JAV to US porn is never really great because they are two different systems scene vs movie based, being scene based you kind have to keep it simple and flashy, besides very few care about the name of the scene just who's in it
I really am sorry but I just can't let it go...
There's a huge difference with the fake name and background. Etc. The industry never came out of their way to shine a spotlight on the fabrication. Once in a while an "accident" happens and a real name is disclosed and the industry never reacts to it, silently admitting that everyone's name is fake to start with. They wouldn't go and say hey, this new debutante's name is REAL. Buy her vids because it's real identity.
Fake name and background is a thing, but it's an unspoken thing and no one gains anything by making a big deal about it and making it a Thing with a capital T.
And even a top studio (S1) display a good sense of humor about the fabrication nudge nudge wink wink "scam". Rion was formerly known as Shion somethingsomething. Shion "retired" and come back as "Rion". And studio did the whole fresh face debutante thing with Rion when everyone KNOWS she's a fake debutante. So for the debut vid, even before we get her topless, the director puts a Shion DVD box on screen and ask "Rion" pointblank "hey we have seen you already, you are Shion something who made a lot of AV already", and she looked straight at the camera and say "no, she looks like me, but I am not her, I am really taking my cloths off and getting fucked for the camera for the first time". I mean, brilliant! So funny so nudge nudge wink wink say no more say no more. LOL
I also (kinda) get the "inside" joke of Hunter, Apache, Switch, SOD etc to sell us veteran professionals Aimi Yoshikawa, Mao Hamasaki, Asahi Mizuno, Honoka Mihara etc as "real" amateur housewives, students, teachers and nurses. Yeah hey last week she was a next door housewife, but this week she's a real nurse. Sure I believe! Until I'm done with my fapping for tonight at least.
Not too long ago, those fake background also include an exact (but fake) birthday, bloodtype and biometrics. And it was a little bit of spectator/fan sport to argue over their stats (especially bust measurement and cup size). For big tits fans (like myself) it become clear very quickly that even observable objective truth like bust size can be totally and shamelessly fabricated. And after a while, the industry dropping those stats from the each girls background and DVD cover. Thank goddesses! I do obsess over tits but it's really better to deprive me of that (fake) data, if the industry can't agree to give us honest information. The industry did the smart thing. Quietly making it NOT A THING. E.g. Rion and Nana Fukada, their thing is clear their big huge tits, but you don't see studio advertising vids by highlighting the cup size anymore. Even in 2016 they were quite a few titles with "G-cup", "J-cup" etc printed in huge fonts on the cover. They stopped doing it, and we are all better off.
But the whole sperm impregnation thing is a whole different beast. The industry should just keep it a nudge nudge wink wink we know you know it's fake but let's pretend play-along and don't overthink it. But no... they chose to make it a THING and make those stupid ideas the main marketing pitch for even major studio top idol vids. They advertise not just the "nakadashi" but have to even add the word "genuine" in front of it (真性中出).
Another thing that annoys me, if as you guys believe, all cum shots are fake, then the industry should just move on with it. There should be no problem for every debutante and top idol to get cum shots everywhere. The Julia's and the Shoko's can take creampies and facials and cum-in-mouth anytime. There should be no more "creampie unban" videos. Every new girl (fake virgins even) can get a cum-shower from the get go. If all cum shots were fake Julia wouldn't need to dodge and we wouldn't be arguing about her.
Fake name, fake bio-metrics, fake boobs, fake amateurs, the industry has figure out how to nurture the fantasies and worked out an understanding with the fandom. The fans (the mainstream fans at least) will stop obsessing and making real sperm a Thing if the industry do the same thing.
. Well, everyone uses stage name. It's a common thing in Asia both in and out of the av industry. American pornstars uses stage name as well. I have noticed some body measurement including cup/bust size doesn't match especially you know the av idol is flatter than someone listed with a similar or smaller number. Also, there are fake mixed girls like Ameri. also, Tia lied about her age too. She's not in her mid 20s since there was a cover during her early career that said she's already in her 20s. The debut thing doesn't bother me since it's common for s1 and ideapocket to steal young girls that's in the industry for a year or less and give them another debut title. I think Tina Yuzuki did the same when she was renamed Rio after she sharpen her face. Kaera uehara and yuria satomi was known as mari misaki and something else I forgot when they were filming for unknown studios. Also, the milf thing is really common sense. They might be milfs in private and hides it well, but it doesn't matter since the casual consumers likes the fantasies and treat it as cosplaying with somewhat decent acting. Yui hatano and many other girls in her age range are typecast as milf and teachers for years & probably filmed a few dozen of the same titles.
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My opinion can easily be simplified under the old belief of you don't believe anything a pathological liar puts out, no matter how sincere he puts it.
And it so happens that the entire JAV industry is a bag full of shit anyway, albeit a very entertaining one.
For the sake of *research*, I checked out MIGB-584. First two scenes are with known JAV actors. There are no camera cuts between the fucking and the pullout and creampie dribble. In the first one the guy rubs his cock after he cums and pulls out and you can tell through the mosaic that he wasn't wearing a condom. In the third scene, a bunch of probably amateurs jerk off and insert into Julia right before they cum. No cuts before the dribble. The last guy shots his first loong shot with trail all the way onto her tits before inserting for the rest. Last scene there are 2-3 guys and no cuts before the nakadashi although I did skip around a bit for this last one. So it does seem that Julia has taken real creampies based on this one.
Condoms aren't the only barrier though, she oculd have been using the female version.
I think that they do a few real ones now and then, but also a lot of fake ones. The fake ones are probably cheaper and of course less risky, and are more guaranteed to produce results. Also saves the guy having to actually reaching orgasm - you can tell a lot of them are struggling or faking it, or maybe just have the world's weakest orgasms.
I think that they do a few real ones now and then, but also a lot of fake ones. The fake ones are probably cheaper and of course less risky, and are more guaranteed to produce results. Also saves the guy having to actually reaching orgasm - you can tell a lot of them are struggling or faking it, or maybe just have the world's weakest orgasms.
I don't wanna sound polemic but I would have named this thread "It's 2017 and some people still expect creampies in JAV to be real"...
99,999% of creampies in JAV are patently fake, like it or not this is an indisputable fact, also I would not hold my breath expecting something changing in 2019, 2020 or 2024... I am more surprised when I read (not here, but in other threads and forums) enthusiast people celebrating that their favorite model is making a nakadashi like it was reality, or arguing against any evidence the fake creampies were real.
99,999% of creampies in JAV are patently fake, like it or not this is an indisputable fact, also I would not hold my breath expecting something changing in 2019, 2020 or 2024... I am more surprised when I read (not here, but in other threads and forums) enthusiast people celebrating that their favorite model is making a nakadashi like it was reality, or arguing against any evidence the fake creampies were real.
LOL but you ARE being polemic. But that's ok. I guess I too like to sound polemic from time to time.
I found myself waffling from day to day, changing my leaning when I read from different sources. Partly because, as I made clear many times, I don't feel passionate about the issue of "real". I only care about "realistic", or maybe not even realistic, as I mentioned elsewhere, one of the themes I enjoy in JAV is "fake", like fake futa, fake huge dicks (over 30 cm), fake massive ejaculation (over 100 ml).
Anyway... on one hand, I agree it's perfectly sensible most sex scenes were shot with condom on. At least the SOP is perform the pussy (sometimes anal) fucking with condom and finish with a condom-off jerk-off on the idol's face or body. I think I do believe most of the external ejaculation is real sperm. If the director+actor+editor+censor is half-good, they can shot/edit/mosaic the scene to pretend the fucking was raw (condom-off) too.
Now the reason to believe most sex scenes are condom-on is safety and hygiene. But real sperm is spilled on the idol's face regularly, so we know safety is not at all ironclad. More than one type STD can transmit by sperm-to-skin or sperm-to-mouth/nose/eyes.
I think the safety margin is high, if the studs are checked regularly, and the industry is not so free-for-all, then it's somewhat manageable to ask everyone to act responsibly. Of course it's not absolute, but Japan is a society with a strong tradition of trust and responsibility.
OTOH, Japanese tradition also accept some level of risk in both professional and personal life. Making sacrifice or taking risk on the job is within expectation, this is much more so than in Western world, esp. America. The mind set in America is the employer can fire the worker tomorrow if maximizes shareholder value. So the worker would be stupid to take any risk for the company. So one piece of evidence is that you read or hear (I haven't tried it myself) you can find soapland etc, that after you establish trust and for the right price, you can enjoy raw service.
So it's not impossible to believe that at least some AV idols, given some established trust etc, would agree to perform raw sex (condom-off fucking but external ejaculation) or even real creampie (internal ejaculation).
Part of the reason to believe at least some real sperm (on face) and some real creampie (in pussy) are possible is that quite frequently you see the fake ones. Huh? Maybe that sounds contradictory to you? Well my logic is that when you see fake ones, most of them look rather clumsy and un-professional. That means the industry standard isn't very high. It's not really worth the while, not worth the studio resource/investment to make the fake ones very realistic. Basically you see 4 different kinds, (1) the old SOP, they actually let you see the stud pulling off the condom, they are not pretending anything, (2) fake and clumsy about it, they don't want to acknowledge the fake, but also lacks the determination/resource to do a good job of faking it, expecting the fans to care just as little (many fans including myself might finish masturbation before the finale of the scene) , (3) looks very good but still doesn't hide the fact that it's a special effects (SFX), most especially those rare, very well-produced SFX AV: fake futa, tentacle porn etc, and (4) those that look so realistic, it's debatable if they were real or SFX.
If you think thru how types (1), (2), (3) look on screen and sees a type (4), well I tend to think it's easier/cheaper to convince a stud/idol to do it for real, rather than invest the money/talent/time to make a fake one look very realistic.
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EDIT: let's also agree that many creampie scenes are fake, but I call them benign fake. In the sense that you see Shoko Takahashi in MIDE-471 "Everyday sex life with newly wed Idol wife", well we all understand the marriage to be "fake", no one would go to the City Hall (whatever gov department) to check a marriage license for "Shoko Takahashi" was issued. So "Shoko" as a married woman is fake, but the vid is benign fake, no one is being deceived. I think many creampie scenes are benign fake as well. The stud do the whole scene with condom, the pair fakes an orgasm, but perhaps even the stud doesn't need to cum. He pulls out, an AD with a squirter gently puts in 10ml of some white slime (rice water), stud insert his condomed cock again for one or two more fake orgasmic pushes, the cameraman does whatever angles he likes, a quick edit to cut out any scene with the AD, done.
Typical fans (including myself) is satisfied enough with the white slime oozing out not needing to believe that stuff is real sperm and it was ejaculated from that particular stud fucking her "a minute ago". Actually my brain isn't getting all the blood it needs to notice if the camera angle was continuous or not.
What I really care much more than if the sperm is real, is if the orgasmic moaning is realistic or not. Speaking personally, a well-acted, well-filmed fake internal creampie with rice water is much more satisfying than a real sperm external ejaculation. Because in my own sex life, facial (or any kind of pre-orgasm pull out) is kind of a mental game, it's not at all the most pleasurable way to have my orgasm. Cumming in a vagina is the best physical pleasure, so that's what I enjoy seeing on AV most.
Typical fans (including myself) is satisfied enough with the white slime oozing out not needing to believe that stuff is real sperm and it was ejaculated from that particular stud fucking her "a minute ago". Actually my brain isn't getting all the blood it needs to notice if the camera angle was continuous or not.
What I really care much more than if the sperm is real, is if the orgasmic moaning is realistic or not. Speaking personally, a well-acted, well-filmed fake internal creampie with rice water is much more satisfying than a real sperm external ejaculation. Because in my own sex life, facial (or any kind of pre-orgasm pull out) is kind of a mental game, it's not at all the most pleasurable way to have my orgasm. Cumming in a vagina is the best physical pleasure, so that's what I enjoy seeing on AV most.