There are real r***s on some of these AV

[sealpart]

There are tons of staged r*** scene but some looks so real. I wonder if some of these are real. To think that, in case they are real how can you identify it since the creator simply says it is an acting.

What I mention are about thing like works from Natural High. Something like NHDTA-599 and NHDTA-600. Not a big fan of r*** scene, sometime it goes too far so I'm kind of WTH because it looks so easy to happen and make Japan becomes City of r**ist.

 

[Ceewan]

Actually r*** Fantasy Porn is an international fetish, Russia has some great stuff but no one does it like the Japanese. Nor is it just men who are into this particular fetish. Trust me, I have actually been told by a woman that she likes to be slapped around and taken by force. Very freaky that was, took me by surprise and it was completely out of no-where. Some people are just turned on by what they are turned on by, simple as that.

The main thing to keep in mind about porn is it is fantasy, which is not to be confused with reality. The people in these films are professional actors and actresses playing roles just like any film star. I may, on occassion, berate the chosen profession but it is a profession nonetheless. These people are given a script, direction and are paid for their efforts. No porn studio of any repute is going to risk their license and livelyhood by filming real r***. That kind of underground stuff is rare and the film quality is likely to be very amateurish. You might find some examples at motherless but I haven't noticed any here ( maybe in the "other downloads" section but I haven't noticed any, let me know if you do).

 

[shinigamie]

Ceewan said it in a nice way.

I will say it in 100% honest with you way.

If you start thinking in your mind " Some of these Japanese r*** porn has to be actual r***" you should start backing off and not go anywhere near it. That porn isnt for you and you should not even glimpse at it.

To start questioning whether some of it is actual r***, these videos that go up on DMM, a multi-billion dollar company, is just absurd.

This thread made me want to die.

 

[sealpart]

Hey, thanks for that. Both of your answers are what I seek.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want it to be real but what I wrote above look like I need real stuff but no I don't want it. I didn't state the reason why I ask clearly.
The reason is I don't accept r*** in anyway and some of this works look so real so I feel bad about it. I simply need someone to say "Don't worry man, this isn't real".
I did some homework and research but none of them made a clear state like both of you.

To be honest, thanks for your answers. I'm glad that you took your effort to answer me nicely. I can't thanks enough.

 

[sealpart]

Oh... shinigamie, I hope now you understand why I asked. Hope you don't feel bad about my tread now. Because your answer also clear my mind too.
And Ceewan, as up now, no I don't have any doubt on AV I watch. All of them sell on many big website like Amazon. So all of that works are ok. If I find any that could be bad stuffs here, I'll definitely inform you guys to remove it from here.

 

[kermitfrog]

Some of the r*** is definitely real in the sense that the woman is not enjoying it, and it is a horrible experience for her. Many directors specifically go for this because they want the video to be as "real" as possible.

However all the women in them have agreed to do the scenes beforehand. The director may "turn things up" and deceive the women into thinking it will be less excruciating than it actually is. But I doubt there are any cases where they literally sexually assault some random woman.

 

[shinigamie]

Some of the r*** is definitely real in the sense that the woman is not enjoying it, and it is a horrible experience for her. Many directors specifically go for this because they want the video to be as "real" as possible.

However all the women in them have agreed to do the scenes beforehand. The director may "turn things up" and deceive the women into thinking it will be less excruciating than it actually is. But I doubt there are any cases where they literally sexually assault some random woman.

 

[Ceewan]

Some of the r*** is definitely real in the sense that the woman is not enjoying it, and it is a horrible experience for her.

That is not the defintion of r***, not even remotely.

In most AV productions, worldwide, the female can call cut at anytime. I have read some accounts of ex-av-actresses that have come out against the AV industry but not in one of those accounts (that I remember) did an actress call what she was doing r***. An actress from the western AV entitled "Donkey Kong", which is centered around a lot of pretty brutal stuff, was actually injured during the filming but you could not tell by watching the video (and I did, not really my thing but I like...was compelled to check it out). But for them it is a job, and accidents happen on all types of jobs nor is enjoying a job a prerequisite for having one, as a matter of fact not enjoying your job is pretty much the standard.

 

[CodeGeek]

I guess it is the same like show wrestling in which the wrestler don't really fight. Most of it is more like a well learned choreography and also follows some kind of plot. It's about entertaining the fans and not a sport. And the same goes for porn - regardless of the genre.

 

[Ceewan]

I guess it is the same like show wrestling in which the wrestler don't really fight. Most of it is more like a well learned choreography and also follows some kind of plot. It's about entertaining the fans and not a sport. And the same goes for porn - regardless of the genre.

Ya might not know it but I used to be a big wrestling fan (still a CM Punk fan). It is true they don't really fight but they do really wrestle (some more than others). There is a lot more choreography in some bouts than others but professional wrestlers can wrestle each other without any prep whatsoever. But yeah, they follow a script and yes it is entertainment but it is very dangerous work where injuries are common place with some of them very severe. So I don't know if I personally like the comparison here.

Porn is like performance art where the actors actually have sex. It is hard to compare it to any other art form. There usually isn't much of a script about it, although with some JAV I've seen they at least like to add a plot which is absent from the vast majority of western porn. You can't really compare that to anything else in the entertainment world (the business world...... maybe).

 

[kermitfrog]

That is not the defintion of r***, not even remotely.

In most AV productions, worldwide, the female can call cut at anytime. I have read some accounts of ex-av-actresses that have come out against the AV industry but not in one of those accounts (that I remember) did an actress call what she was doing r***. An actress from the western AV entitled "Donkey Kong", which is centered around a lot of pretty brutal stuff, was actually injured during the filming but you could not tell by watching the video (and I did, not really my thing but I like...was compelled to check it out). But for them it is a job, and accidents happen on all types of jobs nor is enjoying a job a prerequisite for having one, as a matter of fact not enjoying your job is pretty much the standard.

There are plenty of porn directors in any country who manipulate the actresses into doing things they didn't want to by intimidation, putting them in a situation where no one is there except the director and staff who are all putting pressure on her to do it, or constantly needling her until she gives in and does it. These may not fit the legal definition of r***. Weakening someone's will so they don't fight you back may not be as bad as actually physically forcing them but it can still be quite psychologically damaging. And even when they do consent, the directors will often try to make it feel as scary and horrifying as real r*** so they can get a good reaction.

Of course the actresses will play up their anguish if they're in a movie that calls for it. And usually the women don't find it so scarring that they can't work in porn anymore--although I have seen plenty of interviews where the women said how they never, ever wanted to work with certain directors because they were treated so horribly. But still, I know that none of this falls under the legal definition of sexual assault in Japan. I'm just saying, if you think these women are 100% consenting to everything and never doing anything that harms them in any way, you're being naive.

 

[Ceewan]

There are plenty of porn directors in any country who manipulate the actresses into doing things they didn't want to by intimidation, putting them in a situation where no one is there except the director and staff who are all putting pressure on her to do it, or constantly needling her until she gives in and does it.

Quote a reliable source. You haven't so I will give you that chance.

People that operate like that aren't legitimate film makers. Sure, there was a lot of underground porn.....40 years ago. Not now. There just isn't enough money to make it profitable. There is no incentive to treat an actress like dirt. Nor is their any need to coerce actresses who are willing in the first place.

I am not saying it is a good job to have. Drug abuse runs rampant in the industry, at least it does in the States. And while I have quoted my feelings about people who perform porn and the industry itself elsewhere in this forum, I won't do so now, I won't because it isn't relevant. Porn is what it has always been about. Like any other industry it is about profit. In most countries it is a heavily regulated and taxed business. These people have lawyers and accountants. Gone are the mob and most other criminal associations that once were affilated with the porn industry. I can find a lot of famous porn stars and even those not so famous at IMDB. I wouldn't even be surprised if some carry SAG (Screen Actors Guild) cards.

 

[kermitfrog]

Now wait, I just want to be clear that when I say "intimidation" I'm not talking threats of physical harm. I'm talking things like, "If you don't do this, you'll be fired and I'll tell all the other directors you're terrible to work with." And there are lots of ways that people can manipulate actresses. Did you hear about the American porn director Max Hardcore, who went to jail for basically this? He would take actresses to a secluded place where there was nobody but Max and his cronies, then pressure the actresses to do as much dirty stuff as they can. It wasn't anything most people would call r***, but it was compromising their ability to consent and emotionally scarring to many of them.

In Japan, I highly doubt that a judge would even consider that illegal.

I have no sources to confirm that directors are doing this. Obviously it would be extremely difficult for any of the women to come forward and confirm this so I'm not holding my breath. But if you think directors don't use psychological tricks or put pressure on actresses to do things that they don't want to, then once again I think you're being naive.

 

[shinigamie]

 

[Ceewan]

Now wait, I just want to be clear that when I say "intimidation" I'm not talking threats of physical harm. I'm talking things like, "If you don't do this, you'll be fired and I'll tell all the other directors you're terrible to work with." And there are lots of ways that people can manipulate actresses. Did you hear about the American porn director Max Hardcore, who went to jail for basically this? He would take actresses to a secluded place where there was nobody but Max and his cronies, then pressure the actresses to do as much dirty stuff as they can. It wasn't anything most people would call r***, but it was compromising their ability to consent and emotionally scarring to many of them.

In Japan, I highly doubt that a judge would even consider that illegal.

I have no sources to confirm that directors are doing this. Obviously it would be extremely difficult for any of the women to come forward and confirm this so I'm not holding my breath. But if you think directors don't use psychological tricks or put pressure on actresses to do things that they don't want to, then once again I think you're being naive.

Why you keep calling me naive...(like you are an Adult Movie veteran)......as if you have all the answers I will never know.

It is actually a directors job to motivate his actors/actresses to achieve the results he wants. However porn directors really can't be looking for much except actors and actresses who are willing to have sex on film so I don't see that coming into play here.

Fact Check: Max Hardcore went to jail, unjustly, for obscenity charges. It is true that some actresses would never work for him again and did not enjoy the experience. So what? Some actresses worked for him multiple times. I seriously doubt that any actress would have been banned from working in the AV market if they had walked off his set. Max Hardcore was not a beloved individual even in his own circles. I did personally enjoy a few of his earlier movies while others kinda turned my stomach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Hardcore

I do take exception to your implication that Japan has lower standards than Europe, America or anywhere else when it comes to porn. First off, Japan censors their porn also they take this law seriously and enforce it. Second JAV is a big export industry from Japan so it is more closely regulated (from what I have noticed). You must be thinking of other asian countries. I am not saying there are never any arrests in the JAV industry but those arrests more prove my point than otherwise.

 

[samurai79]

A lot of these scenes probably are basically r***s. It is common for the yakuza (they control all the porn in Japan) to force girls into porn who can't pay back loans. Even if a male can't pay back a loan, the yakuza will let him off if they can get his girlfriend to do porn.
Also, in Japan, the police do not take r*** seriously. Most Japanese females would never go to the police if they were r***ing. There are cases of the police being extremely insensitive, even asking questions such as, "What position were you in?" and, "Was it entirely uncomfortable?" etc.
So, all in all, there are not many safeguards in place for girls doing porn in Japan; aside from the major studios like Moodyz and Ideapocket, it's even more of a cesspit.
I've lived in Japan for a decade, and seen and heard all this, sometimes firsthand, through (now ex-) girlfriends.

 

[evilwelshman]

A lot of these scenes probably are basically r***s. It is common for the yakuza (they control all the porn in Japan) to force girls into porn who can't pay back loans. Even if a male can't pay back a loan, the yakuza will let him off if they can get his girlfriend to do porn.
Also, in Japan, the police do not take r*** seriously. Most Japanese females would never go to the police if they were r***ing. There are cases of the police being extremely insensitive, even asking questions such as, "What position were you in?" and, "Was it entirely uncomfortable?" etc.
So, all in all, there are not many safeguards in place for girls doing porn in Japan; aside from the major studios like Moodyz and Ideapocket, it's even more of a cesspit.
I've lived in Japan for a decade, and seen and heard all this, sometimes firsthand, through (now ex-) girlfriends.

Not saying I disbelieve you, and I have heard similar stories like this in the past, however what you have provided is essentially second-hand reports from unidentified individuals; which does make it difficult to assess the veracity claims, as well as the credibility of yourself or the people you've heard it from. Now, had it been reported in a news article, it might carry more weightage as we can at least expet a certain degree of fact-checking and/or first hand investigation to have taken place (assuming basic journalistic integrity, which admittedly is a big assumption in this day and age).

Basically, it's hard to make opinions based on your report alone as it's simply hearsay.

As for the claims of directors placing pressure and/or manipulating actors, this is still consent at the end of the day since the individual still had the power to say yes and no; albeit with consequences. However, what action doesn't? Moreover, this is hardly an isolated phenomenon as people in power virtually always have a habit of doing this - from bosses who get their secretaries to run personal errands outside of their job description to doctors and truck drivers being made to work exceedingly and dangerously long hours at the demands of their managers, etc. Does this make it right? Hell no. However, this does not wash an individual of their personal culpability - and in the case of porn actors, their willingness to proceed.

 

[Ceewan]

Well, the Yakuza are pretty much a foreign concept to me. It is a known fact that they have over 100,00 members, are involved in politics, prostitution, strip clubs and some branches also in drugs. I can back that much up. I have also heard rumors that they are involved in porn, both in Japan and elsewhere, but have not seen anything concrete to back that up.

Here is a cute (somewhat offtopic) quote from Michael Koh:

15 Scary Things You Didn’t Know About The Yakuza

1. The Yakuza “employ” more than 100,000 people, effectively making them the largest criminal organization in the world.

2. The name Yakuza comes from Oicho-Kabu, a game similar to blackjack. Ya-ku-za (8-9-3) is said to be a losing hand.

3. The power structure within a Yazuka crime syndicate is a typical pyramid structure, with the head at the top and power disseminated into his loyal henchmen. However, it gets a little more complicated. True to Japanese tradition, there is unwavering loyalty and complete obedience that comes with this. Oyabun — or the father counsels and protects the kobun — the child, and the kobun is expected to lay down his life for the oyabun.

4. Yakuza membership surged to 184,000 members after World War II, which is just half the entire Japanese police force (291,475 personnel in 2010).

5. Punishment is doled out through physical violence. Failure to complete a task ends up with yubizume, which is amputation of a part of the little finger. This act makes it so that the punished becomes more dependent on his superior for protection. In the Meiji era, that meant the amputee would not be able to wield his sword as freely as he would’ve with his finger.

6. Yoshio Kodama united the Yakuza factions and became the first “godfather”. He was extremely right-wing and funneled money into the Liberal Democratic Party — an anti-communist right-wing political party.

7. Komada was behind the 1976 Lockheed scandal, which saw Lockheed pay $3 million in bribes to Japanese Prime Minister Kakuei Tanaka.

8. Sumo wrestling events are usually rife with Yakuza members.

9. Kazuo Taoka was the oyabun of Japan’s largest Yakuza family, Yamaguchi-gumi. He was nicknamed “Kuma” (“Bear”) for attacking his opponent’s eyes. He was shot in the back of the neck, but survived. His attacker was found dead weeks later in some woods surrounding Kobe.

10. The Yakuza have a firm hand in the pornography industry in Japan. But that’s not all, they also have a big role in sex trafficking and firearms smuggling.

11. The Yakuza are adept at corporate blackmail and extortion. They have a specific group dedicated for this, called sokaiya. The sokaiya gather information about the company — especially on the officers. Once they get details on mistresses, violations swept under the rug, secret meetings, financial problems, they extort the management for “compensation.” And the sokaiya always gets what they want.

12. There are reported Yakuza activity in the United States. Most of the activity is in Hawaii, but they have been reported in California, Nevada and New York.

The yakuza have also put down roots in California where they have made alliances with Korean and Vietnamese gangs and furthered their traditional partnerships with the Chinese triads. Los Angeles is particularly attractive because of the influx of young actresses desperate to get their big break in the film industry. Yakuza shills have become adept at luring these vulnerable women into porn films and prostitution. Japanese men, whether on sex tours or at home in Japan, often desire western women, particularly blondes. – crimelibrary

13. The Yakuza see violent death as poetic, tragic and an honorable way to die. They also help the weak and steal from the rich. These romantic notions actually put the gang in a favorable light in the public’s eye.

14. The Yakuza responded to the tsunami catastrophe faster than the Japanese government did. The Yakuza delivered food, water, blankets and toiletries to evacuation centers in northeast Japan.

15. The Yakuza are known to play in the political sphere and align themselves with nationalist, right-wing parties. This bode well for the two, giving the Yakuza a place to meddle in politics within legal boundaries, and politicians to employ the Yakuza for illegal activities.

source:
http://thoughtcatalog.com/michael-koh/2014/02/15-scary-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-yakuza/

Of course this is just a blog and not a verifed news agency but it is interesting.

 

[shinigamie]

Yeah, ceewan is right on this.

Theres no concrete evidance that they have a hand in porn.

I will go as far as to say they might but in all that other kind of porn. The kind you cant buy on DMM.

Im sure some people in the Yakuza have invested in some of the studios on DMM or maybe DMM itself. But it would be no different than any other kind of investment from someone else. Just business.

I think a lot of the speculation of yakuza come from movies and really old articles.

At this age, they are pretty much just a horse limping, trying to appeal to masses that it can still run at races.

 

[kermitfrog]

Yakuza forcing women into porn, I doubt is true. As far as I know there is no evidence that they are particularly involved in the mainstream AV industry, let alone forcing girls into it on a large scale.

As for the police being insensitive to r***, that is totally true. It's a large and well-documented problem.