In JAV these days people enjoy more fake sex than real?

Cyklon123

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Hello. I have so many things in my mind and I do not know where to start. I'm a person that was grow up with classic AV actresses such "Azumi Mizushima", "Risa Murakami", "Ayumi Shinoda", "Yui Hatano", "Hibiki Otsuki", "Yuu Shinoda", "Eri Akira", "Kurea Hasumi", "Ayaka Tomada", "AIKA", "Serina Hayakawa", Maki Hojo" and many others. I love these actresses more becaused their unbelievable performance, their passionate feelings on sex and also because almost all of them made movies with decent and "honest" JAV labels such "MIGD", old "HND/HNDS", old "MIRD", old "SOD", "Waap Entertainment", old "Dogma" ect but there was not only these studios. Many studios back then, they did movies without many annoying "plots" and they gave you real sex scenes. And what I mean "real". Real sex is when the actroes enjoying 100% the sex scene. Back then there wasen't 1 billion cutouts, 1 billion directions from the directors, the male actors "almost" always finished in the actresses, even in their faces or their bodies and back then exist "real" creampies without condoms.
In these days real "creampie" tag has died for good. But the "fake" creampies are everywhere in every movie. But let's say "ok". This VERY important thing died. But why at the same time died and the real sex? And I will get to the point with few examples to undestand me better.
Like many people, I seaching JAV movies from "JAV Library" website. Is like the "JAV" wikipedia there. Also you can see ratings and very few reviews. Anyway, in the past two years every movie I have seen from the labels "S1 NO.1 STYLE", IDEA POCKET", Premium" ect had massive demand from the people. It was like the 90% of the crowd watching movies only from these mainstream studios. I thinked about it and I'm thought that, these people have "premium" in "R18" for these studios and they watching movies by them everytime. They "trust" these studios or they liked their stuff and they support them.
I'm a guy that he prefers raw sex with creampies, hard kisses, passionate emotions, squirtings ect and from the very beginning I was certain that these studios could not satisfied me but after the massive demand from their videos I tried to give a chance to them. To be more objective? Something like that. I watched the movie "PRED-162" because of "Aika Yamagishi". She was very famous and I wanted to see this "ban" (her first lesbian sex ever) movie from her. To be honest, I enjoyed this movie because they had ultra amazing production and there was not some "fake" plots. The scenes it was straight forward and I really enjoyed the sex there, especially the last scene with the amazing "Akari Mitani" Jesus.. What a woman. And in there I felt in love (or something like that) with "Ai Hoshina". I never seen before this ultra gorgeous girl and I decided to search her. Then I saw that she become "exlusive" by "Premium" label. So I said "Nice. I will check both of them (the label and the actress). I watched all her movies with "Premium" and in the end I had one big headache. In her first movie "PRED-266" the camera was like "POV" with ultra close up. The actress looking all the time the camera AND NOT the male actor. They wanted to give the impression that she made sex with you..... In these days people enjoy this thing? Are we serious? In the entire movie she pretended that she have sex "with you" and she could not express her real feelings on bed. Also from the camera position you could not see if the male actor have real "penis" or not.. What was that?. Anyway I saw and her other movies and it was the same disgusting thing. They had some fake plots in all her movies. All these movies was some kind softcore that you can watch in your TV late in midnight. I was so desperate to see one movie from this gorgeous girl that she doing REAL sex and there was nothing. They also had "fake" creampies all over the place and the male actors they NEVER really cum their loads. How one woman or one man can enjoy this? I always know that when the male shoot his load, is the end. Is the goal. In these scenes there is was not an end. How the female actresses felt about that? That she can not made a man to cum? All was fake, all have 1 billion cutouts and you could not see for sure if the male actor had fake "penis". At the end, I never saw a real sex from this amazing girl. Unbelievable.
Another example. In general I love to see new JAV actresses and sometimes I watch some "Debut production" movies. In there ALWAYS you will be able to see the same THREE "expert" male actors. The one with the "red/blond whatever" hair, and another two, maximum three same male actors. These actors are participated in the 70% of all JAV movies. This is unbelievable. I have tired to watching them. I know how they shoot their loads, what will they do sex, what sex possitions they prefer ect. I know everything from them. Anyway, one day my eyes went in the movie "STARS-361". In there was an angel with the name "Anna". She is half Russian half Japanese but she is ultra beautiful for me. I watched her debut movie and in there I enjoyed how she squirting and screamed and I also enjoyed her passionate emotions. And I followed this girl. The next two movies they offered to her was ultra bad in my opinion. In one movie she did not making sex. The male actors always put their fingers inside her with aiming she squirting. What was that? And before few days I watched her last movie "STARS-448". I was excited to see her again. The movie starts and in all time the camera was with ULTRA close-up in her face. Jesus Christ. Not again I said because almost all the new movies are like that. I'm not blind. Please let me see the whole space, the whole image, her whole body. But every moment the disgusting camera man hurt my eyes even more. And in all this mess I saw something that it was very obvious. The male actors used "fake" penis. Not "probably". They used for sure. They shoots all the time this fake cum and she made sex raw with these fake "penis". And there I was done. I said: enought with these shits. But I remembered one time that I had seen so obvious thing with fake penis and it was again from the same label. It was from the movie "STARS-086". I checked and see who was the director in this movie. Guess what? It was the same director with the "STARS-448"... Probably this director prefer sex in his own life with fake penis too. Or I really I do not know.
And the last example it was for the most famous movie in "JAV Library" site. The "IPX-177". This movie have receive massive demand and ratings and from curiousity I checked it. The movie starts and again we have one "softcore" plot that you can watch late in the midnight in your TV. They were a brother and a sister and classically the male wanted the female. And in one scene he told her to wear one sexy outfit. Indeed the outfit it was ultra sexy and the way how they show it you. You get into the impression that you are him and you have this image frond of you. And then after 1 billion cutouts (because the director gave all the times orders) the brother fck her. And all scenes goes in that way. She wearing "sexy" outfits ect. I guess in these days people prefer the sexy outfits more that the real sex? Or a gorgeous naked body? They prefer these "fake" plots that have 1 billion cutouts and condoms all over the place instead movies that have not condoms, movies that they have real creampies, have real passion and emotions? The movie was ok for a "softcore" but I can see softcore in my TV. I do not want to see such a thing in JAV. Because all movies by these "famous" studios have all these "softcore" scenes and plots. Personal I want to see movies like "MIGD-230". In there you can see what "real" sex means. I want to see movies like "MIRD-130". In there you can understand how a REAL party is. I want to see movies from "KV" label. When the actress go inside and meet 36 males. In there, there is not a plot, scenarios, directions, cutouts and 1 billion annoying things. In there the actress is what she wants. She wants to be a slut? She wants to be cute? She wants to teasing? She can express her real feelings when she making REAL SEX without condoms. You can see her reactions when she receive real creampies. You can feel the reality in your blood. But really I do not know what is happening in the people these days, in Japan and all these mainstream studios that every day they become more bigger and more richer and they show you less and less real sex. You feel that their actress are more clean than the women around you. From 2018-2021 they doing only sex with condoms and now they doing sex with fake penis. What is happening.. I can not enjoy thatmaterial and I can not support these disgusting studios. Is like I listen music from the radio. Is like I prefer to listen "Justin Bieber" instead of "Beethoven" or "Radiohead". The "Radiohead" was the "MIGD" and "KV" studios and the "Bieber" is these new unreal mainstream studios imo. But the fault is not them but to the people that they support these studios. They want "softcore" movies with fake "penis" and fake creampies. Better to watch "hentai anime" or read "hentai manga" instead kill my time with these studios.
Right now all the real and honest studios have die because the people kill them with their taste. Or the industry forced them to enjoy this material. They never appreciated the old "HND", "MIGD, "MIRD" ect and these studios died and at the same time the real sex in JAV. They prefer outfits and fake creampies all over the place instead some dirty talking from the legendary "Risa Murakami" in "DWD-071" movie In there she catch the actor penis and she slap it in her face with so much pleasure. If these new "loli" actresses in these days did such a thing, probably they will suicided from shame.
I know my post became big but I had a lot of things in my mind that I wanted to share them. Please feel free to say your opinion on anything. And also please support the honest studios such "KV". Probably is the only remaining honest studio in JAV at the moment. In there you know for sure that the pies are real and the cum in actresses mouth, is real too.
 

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i think this is your world . its funny and i dont care about it.
i dont care if a dog fuck maria takegi with real creampie or not
i dont care if the actors are handsome and he have a big dick or not.
if she is maria takegi and she fuck the man hard then i will watched it
i alway stated that i watched movies and i know jav is movies.
i dont belive that maira takegi will suck the actor dick after he licked her pussy so hard and she cum
fuck . if this is real life then she will bite and destroy it with her teeth
but this is just a movies man .
..... so then she will suck cock like she have no brain at all after her pussy was licked

i dont want to see maria takegi s real life
i dont want to see how real semen look like . i dont like that much.
 
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twenie

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I guess what most people like is mainly pretty actresses (and actors) and great production value (filming technique, lighting, makeups, wardrobes, location, etc.), basically what western porn has been teaching us regarding "how to do porn" all this time.

My taste is similar to yours, so you might like Taiga Kousakai (also then known as RAKUTA I think) as a director. His SDEN series is wonderful! BTW he also fucks his actresses and sometimes cums inside of them, for example in HND-065 - the movie is delisted BTW but I hope you can watch it.
 

Burdeos

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What I got from this thread is that you greatly care about seeing real dicks, real cum, and the male actor himself.

I watch JAV because of the girls, so seeing less of the above-mentioned doesn't bother me.
 

Cyklon123

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What I got from this thread is that you greatly care about seeing real dicks, real cum, and the male actor himself.

I watch JAV because of the girls, so seeing less of the above-mentioned doesn't bother me.
I can watch girls outside of my house as well. Also I can watch girls late in midnight on my TV with some "softcore" movies. I also can watch girls in some magazines as well. But when it comes to JAV I want to see these beautiful girls to get fucked by something real and not from some toy..
 
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Cyklon123

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I guess what most people like is mainly pretty actresses (and actors) and great production value (filming technique, lighting, makeups, wardrobes, location, etc.), basically what western porn has been teaching us regarding "how to do porn" all this time.

My taste is similar to yours, so you might like Taiga Kousakai (also then known as RAKUTA I think) as a director. His SDEN series is wonderful! BTW he also fucks his actresses and sometimes cums inside of them, for example in HND-065 - the movie is delisted BTW but I hope you can watch it.
I know him and is one of my favorite directors. I love also the "Usami Tadanori" and "ZAMBA". These directors is legends imo. And few old other dirctors like the amazing "Chain Shuu". In "SDMU-021" he gave pies to the girl that "Taiga" give pies in "HND-065" that you mentioned. She was gorgeous in "SDMU-021". Perfect acting.
I do not remember if I have see "HND-065" but I have see almost all the episodes that have real pies ("Hnd-001 -Hnd-400-25" and HNDS and KRND as well). But I did't know that in this movie it was him. lol. Thx for the information. This guy is amazing.
I have watch some movies from "SDEN" series. I seen the SDEN-001 recently but something very weird it happened. I'm not sure that the creampies are real.. Some moments seems real and some not. I do not know what it happened but that turned me off and stop watching the rest movies. I sticked with series like "MIRD" which have 100% pies from "MIRD-156" and earlier. "SDEN" series came out in 2017. Very dangerous year for real pies. But I will check again the series.
 

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I know him and is one of my favorite directors. I love also the "Usami Tadanori" and "ZAMBA". These directors is legends imo. And few old other dirctors like the amazing "Chain Shuu". In "SDMU-021" he gave pies to the girl that "Taiga" give pies in "HND-065" that you mentioned. She was gorgeous in "SDMU-021". Perfect acting.
I do not remember if I have see "HND-065" but I have see almost all the episodes that have real pies ("Hnd-001 -Hnd-400-25" and HNDS and KRND as well). But I did't know that in this movie it was him. lol. Thx for the information. This guy is amazing.
I have watch some movies from "SDEN" series. I seen the SDEN-001 recently but something very weird it happened. I'm not sure that the creampies are real.. Some moments seems real and some not. I do not know what it happened but that turned me off and stop watching the rest movies. I sticked with series like "MIRD" which have 100% pies from "MIRD-156" and earlier. "SDEN" series came out in 2017. Very dangerous year for real pies. But I will check again the series.
Unfortunately I don't know Chain Shuu or how he looks like. Did he act as the doctor who ejaculates into Ren Aizawa? Ren is indeed a great girl, and BTW check out YMDD-034 (also delisted in many places) if you haven't because she gets multiple creampies and tries to swallow in that movie! YMDD-029 which involves SUMIRE is also great because that girl swallows cum like a champ!

As for SDEN, SDEN-032 is one of my favorite JAVs ever. Basically it fulfills my ideal scenario fantasy (bunch of amateur guys cumming inside slutty girls in a party).
 

Cyklon123

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Unfortunately I don't know Chain Shuu or how he looks like. Did he act as the doctor who ejaculates into Ren Aizawa? Ren is indeed a great girl, and BTW check out YMDD-034 (also delisted in many places) if you haven't because she gets multiple creampies and tries to swallow in that movie! YMDD-029 which involves SUMIRE is also great because that girl swallows cum like a champ!

As for SDEN, SDEN-032 is one of my favorite JAVs ever. Basically it fulfills my ideal scenario fantasy (bunch of amateur guys cumming inside slutty girls in a party).
I will definitely ckeck them. Sorry for the wrong wording above. I wanted to say that "Chain" ordered his actors to cum inside this girl. I wanted to say that, I knew this actress from this movie and I love her.
 

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Cyklon123,

I agree with your assessment of the current situation it the industry, and I share your taste in JAV. I love the HND series up to around 400, the early SDDE and SDEN stuff, and the KV gangbangs.

As you point out all of this began to change around 2018 or a bit earlier. First Ai Uehara retired, then Moody's ended their nakadashi camp series and they HND stopped doing real creampies at all.

At first I thought that maybe there had been an STD outbreak and that there were new rules or regulations in place preventing shinsei (honmono) nakadashi. For example, Ai Uehara, the creampie princess, mentioned problems with STDs on her Japanese YouTube, so I thought that this might be the issue with real creampies. But KV kept doing it for a while and the amature guys are still doing it. (But notice that the amature guys always cover their faces, and KV hasn't done a nakadashi gangbang in a few years.)

Now I think that the situation is down to pure economics. Since most of the studios make their money selling their content to Japanese streaming sites, they probably have contracts for a certain number of titles, and the lower they can keep their production costs the better they will do. Apparently most guys cannot tell the difference between real and fake creampie, and I guess they cannot even tell the difference between real and fake dicks, so it doesn't make any difference to the studios. Also notice that all of the uncensored sites that were for foreign consumption went out of business.

Because the girls are paid on a sliding scale with nama nakadashi at the highest, then name soto, then condom, then fake dick, if the studio just uses fake dicks and fake cum they can pay the girls almost nothing - about the same pay as for gravure. Then when they sell this content to the streaming sites they get the same as they would for a nakadashi creampie movie where they would have to pay the girl full price for every load she takes.

So, I think that the era of real creampie gangbangs is over in Japan.

Anyway for those of us who still like the old school stuff, it would be cool if someone would maintain a thread where we listed all of the movies that have real creampies.
 
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The eternal discussion about fake creampies :D

I think there are 2 big reasons that explain the absolute lack of creampies. The first one, and the most important, is that it seems that japanese clients don't care about paying whatever the cost of a bluray is with a fake creampie. And the second one is that it seems that actors aren't professionalized at all. They are stigmatized and the few active ones can't cum 3 or 4 times per day.

When japanese industry solves one of these things we'll have creampies again.

But to be honest I don't have any problem with modern jav besides that.
 

Cyklon123

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Cyklon123,

I agree with your assessment of the current situation it the industry, and I share your taste in JAV. I love the HND series up to around 400, the early SDDE and SDEN stuff, and the KV gangbangs.

As you point out all of this began to change around 2018 or a bit earlier. First Ai Uehara retired, then Moody's ended their nakadashi camp series and they HND stopped doing real creampies at all.

At first I thought that maybe there had been an STD outbreak and that there were new rules or regulations in place preventing shinsei (honmono) nakadashi. For example, Ai Uehara, the creampie princess, mentioned problems with STDs on her Japanese YouTube, so I thought that this might be the issue with real creampies. But KV kept doing it for a while and the amature guys are still doing it. (But notice that the amature guys always cover their faces, and KV hasn't done a nakadashi gangbang in a few years.)

Now I think that the situation is down to pure economics. Since most of the studios make their money selling their content to Japanese streaming sites, they probably have contracts for a certain number of titles, and the lower they can keep their production costs the better they will do. Apparently most guys cannot tell the difference between real and fake creampie, and I guess they cannot even tell the difference between real and fake dicks, so it doesn't make any difference to the studios. Also notice that all of the uncensored sites that were for foreign consumption went out of business.

Because the girls are paid on a sliding scale with nama nakadashi at the highest, then name soto, then condom, then fake dick, if the studio just uses fake dicks and fake cum they can pay the girls almost nothing - about the same pay as for gravure. Then when they sell this content to the streaming sites they get the same as they would for a nakadashi creampie movie where they would have to pay the girl full price for every load she takes.

So, I think that the era of real creampie gangbangs is over in Japan.

Anyway for those of us who still like the old school stuff, it would be cool if someone would maintain a thread where we listed all of the movies that have real creampies.
Yeah I heard for STD causes without I'm sure why all studios at the same time in late sempember of 2017 stop doing real creampies. But that it is not happened by accidental. All studios closed or stoped at the same time. But yes I am starting to accept that I will not see again real creampies from big studios.

For KV I think the "corona" issue killed them. I do not know if it is lawfulness to recruiting so many people in one place. KV and smaller studios like "ENKI" continued to did real creampies and after sempember of 2017. Even "SDMU" did real creampies in some movies until 2019. I think the issue was in the big studios which sharing the same famous actors. Smaller studios seemed that can avoid that rule or I don't know.

At any case, I still believe "KV" come back with some creampie movies if corona ends but this seems very difficult at the moment. People should cared more for old and awesome studios like "MIGD", "KV" old "HND" ect. Should cared more for real sex and for honest studios. Somehow are responsible for this current discusting JAV era. Fake dicks all over the place, Fake cumshots, Fake titles and nothing real. People paying this content are responsible. Personal I have paid only for old honest studios because I wanted to support them.
Closting, the last "HND" creampie movie was "HND-438" with "Aki Sasaki". After that all are fakes. Also the "HND-432" has fake pies as well. It seems the movie was recordered after the "HND-433-437".
 
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