Heh, そうみたいだね。
But you drew some interesting conclusions about porn forums that I might not draw myself, so I think I'll reply because we may actually have a good discussion created out of this. o_o ^_^
In your reply, you mentioned that you would like to know how a person can sign up on an immoral forum like Akiba-Online and then complain about someone else's immoral fetish. I assume that what you mean is, "How can somebody join a community which has loli and then complain about yaoi?"
Instead of using homosexuality as our example (since homosexuality has as many, if not more, people who think it is morally acceptable than it does those who think it is immoral), let's pretend instead that the porn ads which this person saw were hardcore BDSM / softcore guro ads which showed women with bleeding cuts on their torsos.
(For sake of argument, let's say that the woman in the ad was a world-famous porn star who had gone in front of the camera numerous times to say that she was willingly doing this because it turned her on and not because she'd been coerced to do it.) If there were ads like these, would you have a problem? I would. Even though I know that chompy has defended free expression of guro in the past (I remember certain avatars of his on HongFire), I still do not like guro and I would be offended by the guro ads and might even ask if there was a way for him to switch to another advertisement company (if, say, I could not find a way to block the ads for myself).
Would you then say to me, "If you don't like these ads and cannot find a way to block them on your own, then please leave" ? Maybe you would. And I might agree with you if your reasoning was "because Akiba-Online is a safe haven for
all unpopular fetishes" or even if it was the less-broad "because Akiba-Online, among the fetishes it protects, protects guro as well, and if you can't accept that then A-O isn't the right fit for you."
But if your answer was simply "because you're not allowed to enjoy one immoral fetish without forfeiting your right to condemn all of the other immoral fetishes," then I just don't get it. o_o; Because what that boils down to is
a belief that the moment a human being accepts one immoral behavior, he accepts all immoral behaviors. That he must choose between being a saint or a demon, between being a normal guy and Hannibal Lecter. And I just don't think that's the case
at all.
Some examples:
- Some people believe that the only moral sex is missionary-position sex between man and woman.
- Most Westerners today believe that it is morally acceptable for a man and a woman to have vaginal or oral sex in various positions.
- Fewer Westerners believe that anal sex (with a woman receiving) is also morally acceptable.
- Even fewer Westerners believe that anal sex (with a man receiving) is morally acceptable.
- Some people believe homosexuality is fine, others do not.
- Some people believe that incest between 2nd-to-5th degree relatives is acceptable, others do not.
- Some people believe incest between 1st-degree relatives who were not aware they were 1st-degree relatives until after they fell in love is acceptable, others do not.
- Some people believe that incest between relatives regardless of degree-of-relation or whether they knew in advance or not is perfectly acceptable, others do not.
- Some people think it's immoral to have sex before marriage, others do not.
- Some people think that 18 years old is too old for a minimum legal age for sexual intercourse, others think it is just right, and others still think it is too young.
- Some people think that interracial sex is immoral, others do not.
- Some people think that sex with animals is immoral, others do not.
- Some people think that sex with inanimate objects is immoral, others do not.
- Some people think that masturbation is immoral, others do not.
And on and on it goes! O_O Obviously I'm stopping here because the list is too long and I want to move on and not because I couldn't keep listing off fetishes considered deviant by society-at-large.
The point I want to make with this list is this:
you can't ask people to accept everything they find immoral just because they like one fetish which you or society finds immoral. That doesn't make sense. Not everyone on the planet is either a boring missionary-position man from the 1950s or else a crazy-ass swinger who has BDSM equipment, maid and nurse and miko costumes, breast implants, piercings, tattoos, one 30-year old wife, one 15-year-old boy lover, and a dog named Rover who takes it up the butt every once in a while.
; Certain people have certain fetishes. They have certain things they like and certain things they do not like. That's human nature!
And generally speaking, for any one fetish there are at least two different kinds of fetishists: the first kind feel guilty about their fetish, but the second kind do not. I think most people are in category #2, but maybe that's just because that's where I fall and I have a hard time understanding category #1 people. I'll give you a personal example: I genuinely do not think that an incestual relationship between two first-degree relatives who love one another (truly, truly love one another, asexually as well as sexually) is immoral. And I certainly don't accept the argument that they'll make mutant babies and for that reason their love should not be allowed -- because who says they want to make babies? Maybe they want to adopt? Maybe they want zero kids? Are you telling me that a man and a woman can't live as husband and wife even if the woman has a tubal ligotomy just because they happen to be 2nd cousins, 1st cousins, or siblings? I think that telling them "No, you can't" is what is truly immoral. >( So I mean, I really don't understand those people who say "I like incest porn/hentai but I feel guilty about it." Why!?
Why do you feel guilty about it? To me, that's like saying "I feel guilty about watching a black man fuck a white woman." WHY!?
;;;; HOW is that POSSIBLY immoral?
; I don't get it. For me, all of my fetishes are morally condoned by me. Then there are fetishes which I condone but do not share (like S/M or pegging), and then there are fetishes which I don't even condone and do indeed think are immoral (like pedo or real-r***).
So let's put myself in this guy's shoes, shall we?
- Let's say I like incest hentai.
- And let's say I dislike loli hentai, and I dislike it because it does offend me on my personal moral level. (Whether it's a drawing or not, it's still child sex.)
- I certainly won't tell others to stfu about loli. A, I would not want them to tell me to stfu about lactation. The Golden Rule, man! And B, I don't think a loli fetish hurts anybody directly.
- I would tell somebody to stfu about CP becaue I do believe that CP is both immoral -and- creates real victims.
So if I saw a loli ad on the site, would I say something? No. I'd keep my mouth shut. I don't like it, but I also realize "who gives a flying fuck what you like or don't like? A lot of people like loli and it's not hurting anybody so what's the big deal?" Same thing for gay ads. Same thing for scat ads. Things which gross me out or which I dislike but don't think victimize anybody, I'm fine with those staying up if it means that my ads and my content can stay up too. But if I ever saw a real CP ad? I'd leave, or I'd at least confirm that the ad had the staff's blessing before I left. I wouldn't try to tell them what to do, but nor would I just accept it, which is what you seem to be telling our original poster dude up top to do.
And maybe he feels the same way as me. Maybe he
is more open-minded than you give him credit for and he is 100% okay with yaoi being posted on this site. Maybe he wouldn't even mind yaoi advertisements. (I doubt it, but let's just say
MAYBE.) Maybe his complaint is purely ideological, because he truly believes (in his heart of hearts) that homosexual porn creates victims just like how I believe that CP or snuff porn or real-r*** porn creates victims. And so he felt the need to speak out and say, "Look, you can post yaoi for all I care, but real homo porn? D: Please don't post those ads."
Is he trying to be bossy? Not necessarily. He's just testing the waters to see if the staff approves of the ad (in which case he might politely and quietly leave) or if they too are offended (in which case he gets to stay -and- no longer has to worry about those ads).
Might chompy tell him, "No, I'm not taking down the gay ads. If you don't like that, then please leave" ? I doubt that too, but sure, he could say it like that, I guess.
And so if chompy
did say that, then maybe this poster would politely leave and go find another board. I know that I would if I ever found out that Akiba-Online was standing behind genuine CP. (For the record, the Junior Idol stuff isn't CP in my book because afaik the girls and their parents willingly sign their daughters up for this and also there is 0% sex involved. If I'm wrong .......... *sigh*, let me know and I guess I'll have to leave. ^^;;;;;;;;; Sad for me but also true.)