A... Gay thread?!?!

[lowleg26]

If you're going to start allowing gay porn just because some people are gay, why not go all the way and allow porn from around the world?

Not the same thing. The rules explicitly state that material from outside Japan is not allowed on the board. There's no actual rule banning gay material from Japan.

To me the question is also straight forward, but I seem to have understood it differently. I thought the question is about whether we think a gay subforum has the right to be here.

If the question was Would you participate in a gay subforum? Then I'd vote ''no'', and I would expect that every hetero male vote ''no'' also. I guess I'm splitting hair, but that's how I saw it.

I don't think you're splitting hairs at all. There's no reason you have to look at the question as stated and think that you have to vote "yes" only if you intend to participate in the new subforum.

By that line of reasoning, if you were asked "Should sick children get medicine?" you'd have to answer "no" provided you weren't a sick child or had no children. Its perfectly acceptable to be in favor of something even if it doesn't directly affect you.

The question as stated does have an inherent flaw, and maybe I'm the one splitting hairs now, but it doesn't specifically address whether or not gay material should be allowed. It only asks if it should get its own section/subforum. A lot of the discussion that has taken place (my own posts included) are more in relation to whether or not there should be an actual rule banning gay material.

 

[thisismyname]

no . . :donotwant:

i hope there's no gay thread in akiba lease:

I don't really see any need for this. If you're going to start allowing gay porn just because some people are gay, why not go all the way and allow porn from around the world? Copyright issues aside, that would be a smaller change than this, not that I endorse that either.

Gay porn is just not what I come here for and I'm sure that the gay and bi people on this site already know of other sites they can get that stuff from, so I voted no and I encourage anyone else who likes AO as it is to do the same.

Agreed 100%, I couldn't have said it better myself. Besides, you don't have a site that is mostly straight porn, let's use any porn site as an example, then start adding in gay content or gay sections later because there are those who are bisexual or homosexuals who lurks those sites then demands gay porn afterwards for their own needs. I'm not talking about only forums, i'm talking about porn sites in general, they don't need to change because of a few bisexuals or homosexuals that's born that way and now they want the site to suit them. Someone should just post them links to sites with gay stuff and foward them elsewhere for it. I wouldn't want to see akiba turned into aki-bi. Get it? no? Whatever.

 

[handyman]

I really don't see any problem with having a gay JAV section here. It's still Japanese adult material. If you don't want to see such things, don't visit that section. If it offends you, wake up.

I personally think we should create a section and see what happens. Even if it doesn't get much attention at least some members who are interested, or curious will be pleased.

I have not seen much argument against any Yaoi material being posted, surely gay JAV should be just as welcome.

rance:
(this smiley seems most appropriate for the post)

 

[lowleg26]

rance: (this smiley seems most appropriate for the post)

Just wanted to say I got a chuckle out of this. You're very droll, sir! :evillaugh:

 

[LTO]

Not the same thing. The rules explicitly state that material from outside Japan is not allowed on the board. There's no actual rule banning gay material from Japan.

Whether it's in the rules or not has no bearing on my opinion.

It hasn't been added to the rules because no one has uploaded any and so no one has had any problem with it. Beastiality was also technically not against the rules here at one point. That changed.

 

[Aqua2213]

and btw... we all know that this will end up in nothing, because i don't think that even 1000 votes -and we'll never reach that- would be representative of the 330K total users

Well, the vote now is 33 YES votes and 46 NO votes.

It shows that the interest in having a subforum is there.

If it was like 10 or under for YES to 46 NO votes then The interest wouldn't be there, but 33!!
The margin isn't that far apart.

"Queer eye for the Gay Jav Guy"!! Bring it on!! rance:



"Cottontail's Peter"

Happy Easter!

 

[thisismyname]

Or maybe if you combine the votes of homosexuals and bisexuals vs heterosexual, that's like two against one. Hopefully all the votes are real and not by some new alt accounts. Not implying anything of course, it's always good to check the votes just incase of any irregularities. I just didn't realise how many gays and bisexuals are on the forum. For the picture above my post, that's unappropriate imo and not everyone wants to go in this thread and see that without expecting it. Vote no.

 

[lowleg26]

Whether it's in the rules or not has no bearing on my opinion.

I wasn't making an attempt to change your personal opinion. You said that allowing gay Japanese material would be on par with opening up the site to non-Japanese media. Its not the same thing. Opening up the site to media from outside of Japan would change site rules and drastically change the site as a whole. Allowing gay Japanese material wouldn't change anything aside from the possibility of a new section/subforum being created.

It hasn't been added to the rules because no one has uploaded any and so no one has had any problem with it. Beastiality was also technically not against the rules here at one point. That changed.

Actually, on page one redrooster said that gay material had been uploaded and deleted, yet no actual rule has been implemented regarding the material.

This kind of brings up the question I posed in my last post. Arguing over whether or not gay material deserves its own section is not the same as arguing over whether or not it should be allowed. I'd like to get clear on what exactly is at stake here. A lot of posts here (including some of my own) may not be as valid if we're only discussing the creation of a new section, and not whether or not the material itself should be allowed at all.

Should we be considering the question at hand in its most literal form?

 

[IdolFun]

rance:
(this smiley seems most appropriate for the post)

:gayprance:
He will come play with your smiley

 

[handyman]

:gayprance:
He will come play with your smiley

:yahoo:

 

[Rhinosaur]

I hope your not losing any sleep over this whole thing, thisismyname! You seem a little worked up.

 

[handyman]

Sorry, couldn't resist...

:tehheh:

 

[Aqua2213]

WoW!! New smilies!! I ididn't even notice... :cheer:

Akiba b4 Gay area:rance: + Akiba after Gay area::gayprance: = thisismyname::scared:

 

[lowleg26]

Sorry, couldn't resist...

:tehheh:

Were these two smilies custom made for this thread?

:gayprance: :tehheh:

The "no" side could use this one to express discontent

:vomit:

seriously, these are the best smilies ever. whoever made them deserves a lot of credit.

OK, I'm done gushing about the new smilies now (in this thread, anyways). :thirsty:

 

[Asvaldr]

Wow. Just finished reading the whole thread...8 pages later, I have come to offer my two yen.

As a disclaimer, I will be quoting a few people, but I don't remember who said what, so forgive me if they aren't proper quotes.

First, I voted 'yes' because I don't see any reason why it would be inappropriate to have such a thread here. People have said that there is a distinct difference between what constitutes a fetish and what constitutes a preference, with scat, watersports, etc. being the former, and straight, bisexual, and homosexual porn being the latter; however, while the difference between concepts may be correct, I don't believe it has any importance concerning the issue at hand. Others have also commented that AO caters to many minority fetishes/preferences, so why shouldn't gay porn/male idols be allowed to satisfy another minority? Certainly, everyone here can read English enough to know that if they don't want to see screenshots of two stallions riding each other, then they don't have to open the thread and look at it. Why would you get offended at the mere fact that it co-exists in the same online community where you look at your preferred fapping material?

To give an example, would you be offended if two lesbians were having steamy, hot, gratuitous sex in their hot tub next door? Conversely, if there were two gay guys doing the same thing on the other side of your house, would you be offended? If you said no to the first question and yes to the second, then I believe you are letting your own personal bias cloud your judgment. They're both homosexual situations, one just happens to be twice the amount of melons and pie (which the anti-gay patrons seem to think is acceptable), and the other is a sausage factory.

Second, concerning the reputation of AO being tarnished if it were to include gay porn/male idols. Are you not aware that this community provides photos and movies of scantily clad underage models? I'm sure to the rest of the world out there, AO is not a place of high repute. What difference does it make if we were to add a gay sub-forum? I'm pretty sure fapping to two (or more) adult males having a go at it is more acceptable to the general public than fapping to pre-pubescent and adolescent girls. Not that the latter is bad. If that's what gets yer jollies going then please, by all means.

Lastly, I don't believe it would be that much of an extra effort to trial run a sub-forum. I believe it was already said that it would take mere minutes to set it up and take down if it flopped. Aside from insulting a handful of insecure retrosexuals, I think it would be a good step to cater another genre/fetish/preference that some people do enjoy.

As a side note to a certain unnamed person, wow. Could you be any more insecure? This is the 21st century. Get with the times, turn on the television, read the news. It's all around you: the Gay Invasion! Tape yer arsehole and don't bend over! The world's in it for the long haul.

:cheer:

 

[thisismyname]

Lesbians are targetted towards straight men even if it's homosexual, not gay stuff, new half stuff or whatever it's called, that's the difference. Sure U-15 females are frowned upon obviously by other people, however boy videos to most people are worst.

I have an idea I think would work, don't make a subforum section for [BOYS] as labeled for threads, just leave that in the U-15 forum since most people can easily ignore it. There are only like two or three videos at most of that sort of stuff anyways, no need for an extra section of the forum when there probally isn't all that much of that stuff to fill a subforum.

If people needs to get their gay porn, don't make a subforum directly under JAV, rather make one in the fetish section. It's obvious that's not a fetish and not abnormal to bisexuals and homosexuals, however it's abnormal to those who uses the jav section for heterosexual porn. However it's far enough away from the JAV section of the forum in the fetish section of the forum, I wouldn't have any complaints. I think that's probally the best compromise and the best solution. Only the JAV fetish section of the forum is changed with a new subforum.

 

[seiya1]

Start a gay forum. Don't bring it here.

There is enough politically correct stuff in the world. Not akiba.

If the gay thread/section is started then go all out PC:

Transvestites, hermaphrodites, amputees, hairlips, quadriplegics, bulldykes, and every other abnormality we should admire for its "courage."

We don't want to leave anyone out right?

(asvaldr, are you kidding? "gay invasion?" "get with the times?" Just because someone holds a cat for you to fuck, does not mean you should.)

 

[Asvaldr]

Lesbians are targetted towards straight men even if it's homosexual, not gay stuff, new half stuff or whatever it's called, that's the difference.

Yes, you're right. Lesbian sex is most likely targeted at a heterosexual male audience. But why does this matter? It's still homosexual. Are you trying to imply that bisexual or homosexual people who are interested in seeing man on man sex should not be here? I think you would be taking a lot more heat than you could handle if that is the case.

Sure U-15 females are frowned upon obviously by other people, however boy videos to most people are worst.

How do you know this? I think their age trumps their gender in this matter.

If people needs to get their gay porn, don't make a subforum directly under JAV, rather make one in the fetish section. It's obvious that's not a fetish and not abnormal to bisexuals and homosexuals, however it's abnormal to those who uses the jav section for heterosexual porn.

This argument has been used before, but I believe it to still be valid; I think scat and people pissing on each other is abnormal, but others still get off on it, and I respect their preferences. I'm not sure if you know or not, but the abbreviation JAV stands for Japanese Adult Video. I don't believe that distinguishes between male or female, nor would I consider gay porn to be a fetish. That would be akin to calling straight porn a fetish.

However it's far enough away from the JAV section of the forum in the fetish section of the forum, I wouldn't have any complaints. I think that's probally the best compromise and the best solution. Only the JAV fetish section of the forum is changed with a new subforum.

Far enough away...? I wasn't aware that computers recognize the physical distance of sub-forums...I always thought they were just bits of memory that the computer generates when someone clicked on a link.

I don't think it takes a genius to recognize that you have some kind of antagonism towards the GLBT (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgendered) community. Perhaps you were sexually molested by some male family member when you were a child, or maybe you hate the male body so much that you would like to become a woman, and then, ironically enough, become a lesbian. I don't know why you are so afraid of the thought of other people looking at gay porn here; it's not as though someone is sending some 300-pound gay guy who just got out of prison to your house to r*** you.

Can't we all just get along and masturbate in harmony?

:gayprance:

 

[lowleg26]

Just because someone holds a cat for you to fuck, does not mean you should

I like how "counterarguments" have devolved into non sequiturs. Just because fish swim in the sea, that doesn't justify an anal fisting.

There is enough politically correct stuff in the world. Not akiba.

So we should be able to make any slanderous, inflammatory, or racist comment we want? Being "politically correct" means to frame your speech in a way as to not be offensive. By that definition, this site's rules already requires its members to be "politically correct".

If the gay thread/section is started then go all out PC:

Transvestites, hermaphrodites, amputees, hairlips, quadriplegics, bulldykes

Transvestites/Transsexuals = Newhalf = already on the site. The rest of your examples would be fine in the fetish section provided they adhere to the site rules.

and every other abnormality we should admire for its "courage."

Nobody is forcing you to admire anyone or consider anything courageous. Yours is the only post to even present these ideas.

EDIT:

Can't we all just get along and masturbate in harmony?

Hmmmm.....large scale, harmonious, synchronized cum-shots? Sounds like the making of a new "Soft on Demand" title (maybe Rocket).

 

[Asvaldr]

(asvaldr, are you kidding? "gay invasion?" "get with the times?" Just because someone holds a cat for you to fuck, does not mean you should.)

The "Gay Invasion" was simply an exaggerated statement to show that homosexuals are finally being recognized as humans instead of some diseased social outcasts (although, clearly, there is still a good deal of people who think so).

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to get at with the cut fucking analogy. Are there millions of people fucking cats today? That'd be news to me. There are millions of gay people though (not necessarily at AO). That's what my comment was in regards to. If you were referring to being "forced" to have a gay sub-forum here, again, there's a lot of stuff here that I'd rather not see either. But, it's still here, and I choose not to look at it. Why is this any different?