Will JAV take over the US industry in the near future?

natsuxdragon

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I've noticed these past 2 years that
most of the US Stars Cam and promote porn chat apps that flood there twitters to the point you cant even read there own tweets.

Half of them do strip clubs because they cant get barely any work in the valley.

Some of them get too political on social media which drive fans away from there base.

(This is a post I made on the another thread)


US porn industry its not dead but it will get worse in production and sales

Production/plot: They are putting out the same crap for years not getting creative with it excluding the little guys like Clips4Sale and other sites like it.
Economic: Sites like Brazzers, Bang Bros (Still surprised they exist) and reality kings in the coming years will decline.

Now for the JAV industry its either gonna be the same or better in production and quality but, I hope that it gets more and more popular in the states thus forcing US companies to get competitive which each other.

It will be an exciting time to see who dominates the market place in America.


Any thoughts?
 
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EroMura777

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This is similar to the wrestling (*sic* sports entertainment) case with New Japan Pro Wrestling and WWE. Some people would like that NJPW would take over USA market to cast a shadow over WWE, but first the Japanese need to secure their own market before expanding.
 

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No. Unless the Japanese actresses starts to gain a following with Americans all of a sudden.

The way the Japanese Porn industry works now is not so much on the sales of videos, but is driven by "renting" out the girls in appearances of events. The videos are there to raise their profiles as you can pirate the videos, but you can't pirate the girls. This is what happened in Taiwan and China. And now the industry is making ways there by having the actresses going for overseas gig in those region, even if their videos are not officially being sold there.
 

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Amateurs on tube sites killed the US porn industry. It's nothing to do with politics or social media. If anything, the social barrier is bigger with JAV stars. Different language/culture after all.

JAV could surpass the US industry, if it hasn't already, but that doesn't mean it will ever be the #1 choice for people in the US.
 

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JAV will never gain enough popularity in the states because 1.) mosaic censorship and 2.) (legit) access to JAV videos...with R18 being pretty much the only source and 3.) language barrier
 
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If it wasn't for.................MOSAIC..................JAV would have taken over long ago imo. I'm from the U.S. and whenever I've gotten into casual conversation about the porn industry the #1 reason I hear every single time someone has had no interest in Japanese porn is always due to the mosaic. As long as that exist in JAV's they will never takeover in the west.
 
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billinauburn

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Well my 2 cents say that for the most part the JAV has US in MUCH prettier stars but for the last year greater than 90% of the cumshots are creampies. After the 10,000th creampie even a fetish gets real old real fast!

I do agree that the MOSAIC is a definate downside but it does seem that there are more uncen. getting here. And I barely notice it anymore.
 

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2.) (legit) access to JAV videos...with R18 being pretty much the only source and 3.) language barrier

Please don’t forget about us. :)



JAV may never ‘take over’ USA or Europe for that matter, but I do believe that at least in terms of hours of professionally released content per month, Japan is in a class by itself.

The income of JAV stars versus western porn stars is up to debate. Both keep it relatively private and you’d assume JAV stars make more due to potentially earning more per shoot, but you have to factor in agency fees. Also, as much as I love Japan, I think it’s safe to say your average US porn star probably has more financial knowledge than her Japanese counterpart and would be smarter when it comes to saving.

There’s also more ways for a western porn star to push herself whereas a JAV star is pretty much restricted to whatever her agency allows.

Actresses and movies aside, the west seems better-geared toward the future of porn where digital and exclusive works (be it web cam, bespoke porn (look that one up!), and more) is the standard.
 
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People keep worrying about the US porn industry but it seems perfectly healthy to me. Maybe there's that much money in it because of piracy and top girls constantly leaving to do their own thing, but there's always a newer, better girl out there waiting to be discovered and at the very least, it's a great way to launder money for gangs and mobs and whatnot. I keep hearing about how the industry is dying yet there are dozens and dozens of sites/networks/studios churning out scenes weekly at the very least.

Top stars in the US are always retiring or semi-retiring or taking several breaks because there's more money in stripping, escorting or controlling their own content but guess what? A new girl comes who is hotter, younger and kinkier and takes her place. The industry didn't die when Tori Black left or Lisa Ann left or whoever and no one girl or even a handful of top girls will be able to crush it 'cause there is just way too much satisfactory content out there to enjoy.

As for JAV taking over, the censorship is definitely a killer. And a lot of JAV porn can get pretty creepy/pervy, which some people (like most of us here) are fans of, but lots aren't. Also remember that not all guys want to watch Jav guys fuck or Jav girls get fucked, they need to watch other types of people to help them fantasize.
 

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JAV has a whole lot going against it to become big in the west.
The mosiac is one. People don't want to watch censored videos
The body types of the girls is another. JAV doesn't have too many girls with body types that the west love. Even Hitomi only has large breasts. Butts are really big in the west and she has no butt or hips at all. She's the most known name in JAV in the west. Japanese girls on average are far more petite than western girls.
The guys. JAV has tons of old men, small to average dicks and overweight guys. Even guys that wear masks. West values big dicks and stacked girls unless it's a fetish video.
JAV is way more rapey on average. The girls don't sound like they're enjoying the sex unless it's a gyaru video or something. West loves sluts. A huge complaint people have about JAV is that the girls moans sound like they're crying and screaming.
Diversity. The west has people of a races involved on video so everyone can be satisfied. JAV is really xenophobic for the most part.
The amateur scene. The west has a huge amateur scene. Tumblr and Twitter have accounts dedicated to it and free websites compile enormous amounts of amateur. You can go on chat sites and see normal girls have sex for free in real time at all times of the day. I don't think Japan has a scene like that.
Language. Porn has tons of dirty talk from the girls. The girls in JAV who actually do say more than "stop!" and "no!" still speak Japanese. Nobody is trying to read subtitles while watching porn.
The girls in western porn seem way more free. They set up on chat sites, strip at clubs, prostitute themselves, do scenes and have control over what they do without anyone over them. JAV girls seem to be under strict contracts and have to keep up a persona like idols. They don't seem to be able to do what they want. They always have someone overseeing everything they do. A pornstar like Teanna Trump has a Snapchat where she does free amateur sex shows in her spare time. Could you imagine any JAV star doing that?

JAV just has too many hurdles to clear to overtake western porn. It does have far better fetish stuff. On average, the top JAV stars couldn't make it in the west. The cultures are too different. JAV girls are too sterilized, their bodies aren't suited to western tastes and play victims in their scenes too often. That isn't really popular in the west.

Oh yeah, JAV does a few more things better than western porn. The cameraman for one never makes himself apart of the scene. They're silent unlike in western porn where they sometimes try to make themselves a part of the scene. Talking while the people are fucking, turning the camera towards themselves and overall being anything more than a human tripod.
 
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This is totally disconnected from logic and reality.

Whatever problems facing USporn isn't going to be solved by JAV. I am no (longer) expert of USporn, but let's list a few usual suspects:
1. piracy: nope, JAV can't help
2. raise of tubes and fly-by-night nano-production: at first seems JAV still has better production values, but the root problem is the market isn't supporting (paying for) the high production cost, so JAV isn't going to help
3. religious feminist morality nazis: wait till they hear about all the rape porn in JAV
4. raise of asexual population: like Japan, Western world also see more young men and women becoming libido-deficient. If young boys aren't even fapping, porn market is going to be limp, how's JAV going to help?

JAV also doesn't want to go out to the wild wild west (except our friend R18 here)
J. Gov is embarrassed by the huge sex industry, fūzoku, hentai, AV. So they like to export more everything else, but not sex products, services or media.

American market also don't like foreign imports. Sure there's always a fringe minority who are very open and global, and they often "discover" cool new things in foreign cultures. E.g. film, manga, anime, PlayStation2 etc.
But the only way imports can penetrate the mainstream big market is to become Americanized. Most typical is Hollywood treatment of Lucy and Ghost in the Shell. The foreigness is reduced to background and bits of styling etc.
For JAV, I think USporn has already done finish absorbing whatever aspects of JAV that can be borrowed into USporn. Like some years ago, USporn already absorbed some influence from Europorn so now there's a lot of overlap between USporn and Europorn.

The overlap of USporn and JAV is much smaller but what I see is that, the overlap isn't getting any bigger. JAV will keep being JAV, and USporn will remain USporn. If anything, I bet that there will be less influence and interchange between US and Japan on porn.
 

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3. religious feminist morality nazis: wait till they hear about all the rape porn in JAV

gosh darn that would happen, big american companies had to shut down there semi-rape stuff like 5 years, and haven't brought them back, Rapelay the game had so much controversy they had to completely take it out of any american markets, and nearly 10 years later Illusion won't release anything over here because of that crap storm. The rape genre would be completely destroyed, or not allowed to be sold over here and that's really the only unique thing the JAV industry has over other markets.

But Jav won't ever overtake US porn, US Market is still strong as they can be in this piracy age, and people may be driven away from some girls, but like in jav there are always new girls to take there place.

Also on Brazzers declining it won't ever, the people that own that own quite a few big companies, and also own most of the popular tube sites so they are pretty set only way they'll enter decline is if there many big tube sites get fucked over, and everyone has known they've owned the tube sites for years but as long as they keep bringing in stars, nobody will care.

I don't want JAV to go to that per scene release formula across most American sites, but they'd have to be cut up to be profitable over here.
 
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Wicked Pictures, Sweet sinner, New Sensation make efforts to improve the quality of their productions (story of the movie, realisation) but they are still very far from the quality of the AV : Too puritanical and too many actresses in each of the films.
 

Supmop

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I've noticed these past 2 years that
most of the US Stars Cam and promote porn chat apps that flood there twitters to the point you cant even read there own tweets.

Half of them do strip clubs because they cant get barely any work in the valley.

Some of them get too political on social media which drive fans away from there base.

(This is a post I made on the another thread)


US porn industry its not dead but it will get worse in production and sales

Production/plot: They are putting out the same crap for years not getting creative with it excluding the little guys like Clips4Sale and other sites like it.
Economic: Sites like Brazzers, Bang Bros (Still surprised they exist) and reality kings in the coming years will decline.

Now for the JAV industry its either gonna be the same or better in production and quality but, I hope that it gets more and more popular in the states thus forcing US companies to get competitive which each other.

It will be an exciting time to see who dominates the market place in America.


Any thoughts?

in near future ?? no way !!!

first their censsorship rules always make them difficult to go for international market, and if decide to make uncenssored international version ... that would kill their domestic market

second japanese economy situation are not better than US porn
 

Supmop

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This is totally disconnected from logic and reality.

Whatever problems facing USporn isn't going to be solved by JAV. I am no (longer) expert of USporn, but let's list a few usual suspects:
1. piracy: nope, JAV can't help
2. raise of tubes and fly-by-night nano-production: at first seems JAV still has better production values, but the root problem is the market isn't supporting (paying for) the high production cost, so JAV isn't going to help
3. religious feminist morality nazis: wait till they hear about all the rape porn in JAV
4. raise of asexual population: like Japan, Western world also see more young men and women becoming libido-deficient. If young boys aren't even fapping, porn market is going to be limp, how's JAV going to help?

JAV also doesn't want to go out to the wild wild west (except our friend R18 here)
J. Gov is embarrassed by the huge sex industry, fūzoku, hentai, AV. So they like to export more everything else, but not sex products, services or media.

American market also don't like foreign imports. Sure there's always a fringe minority who are very open and global, and they often "discover" cool new things in foreign cultures. E.g. film, manga, anime, PlayStation2 etc.
But the only way imports can penetrate the mainstream big market is to become Americanized. Most typical is Hollywood treatment of Lucy and Ghost in the Shell. The foreigness is reduced to background and bits of styling etc.
For JAV, I think USporn has already done finish absorbing whatever aspects of JAV that can be borrowed into USporn. Like some years ago, USporn already absorbed some influence from Europorn so now there's a lot of overlap between USporn and Europorn.

The overlap of USporn and JAV is much smaller but what I see is that, the overlap isn't getting any bigger. JAV will keep being JAV, and USporn will remain USporn. If anything, I bet that there will be less influence and interchange between US and Japan on porn.

+100

Actresses and movies aside, the west seems better-geared toward the future of porn where digital and exclusive works (be it web cam, bespoke porn (look that one up!), and more) is the standard.

+10

some people who are very fanatic about JAV can't see in some factor western porn are more advance

If it wasn't for.................MOSAIC..................JAV would have taken over long ago imo. I'm from the U.S. and whenever I've gotten into casual conversation about the porn industry the #1 reason I hear every single time someone has had no interest in Japanese porn is always due to the mosaic. As long as that exist in JAV's they will never takeover in the west.

yes, mosaic is a big problem for them

but I think without mosaic doesn't mean JAV would be easy to dominate, not all people love to see asian porn, JAV is unique because its the only one that their workers (performers and crews) are still dominate by their own people, while other countries using plenty import talents
 
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...I suppose no one in hear has ever heard of Cassius Clay? ....

Sorry couldn't resist. It would take YEARS for a foreign niche anything to catch and overtake another industry of any kind.
 
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I think removing mosaic from existing JAV would improve them a lot. But would those JAV have been shot the exact same way and have the exact same content if they weren't made with mosaic in mind? Would the bukkake and gokkun genres exist without mosaic? With the mosaic JAV has to compensate and try harder in different ways. Otherwise JAV might end up being as boring and crude as the rest of the world. Maybe you can see that already in the uncensored JAV.
 
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Supmop

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businessman can do everything i guess , usa , vietnam , thailand and such.

i am just a watcher..

money can buy almost anything

thailand have big potential, tons of sex bussiness but so far they don't have pro porn industry yet