JAV embracing r***, incest, and pedophilla?

Taako

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Wow... sensitive topic. Rare to see such intense discussion in just a few days. I'm adding my own oil to fire:

Preface: (1) I don't support a total ban based on simplistic black/white definable distinction (similar to total ban on "r***" theme in US), (2) I do enjoy some amount of NTR or in general JAV showing behavior that's totally illegal or inappropriate or disgusting in real life. Main argument: some aspect of Japanese sexuality is pretty fucked up, and JAV does a big part in normalize/validate (if not really embrace) it.

One thing to consider is Japanese culture don't see sex in some religious angle (burn in hell!) like the West and Middle East, nor see sex as some super strict moral corruption like China. Japan sees sex as (1) baby-making or (2) pleasure activity (mainly for the man). So a woman perform music or dance for man? Fine! Woman perform blowjob for man? Just as fine! Actually I have long argued that in Japanese culture, anything that doesn't make baby is not sex. That's why top idols make such a big deal about creampie un-banning (解禁 ). In the West, losing virginity (defined as penis insertion in vagina or (in the old days) breaking of hymen) is a "life-changing" event. For Japanese, it's only one of many important events: first kiss, first fuck, first creampie. The real significant one is the first time sex without condom. So creampie unbanning for a high profile idol (e.g. Shoko Takahashi) is like public viewing her losing virginity (despite fans-in-the-know already know it's fake semen) :
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Flip around, any sex act with condom or ejaculation outside of vagina is no big deal, even if it's r*** and/or incest.

The argument crime rate in Japan is super low is also BS. It's true public security in tourist/rich districts are excellent/world class. But social studies conducted by Japanese researchers (only partially translated into English) reported over the years, that a vast majority of young girls or women had suffered what in the West would be classified as sexual assault. A girl or woman who's been r***ing, over 50% of them would not report a (officially statistic-counted) crime. They go home and take a shower, and cry under a pillow, quietly so as not to alarm their family. Even if there's DNA left behind, mostly she would not kept a sample and have police trace down the criminal. The realistic chance to see the criminal get a reasonable sentencing is pretty terrible, and the chance that she would suffer much much more pain and humiliation at the police station, hospital, court, on newspaper etc etc, the math doesn't work for her.

The argument the industry is just passively reflecting the customer base's desires, is just plain wrong. Of course the industry is profit seeking and must respect the customer demands, but the industry has a huge role to influence the fan taste too. They got the fandom to accept mosaic, don't forget that.

One example, I admit it's totally impractical in legal or regulatory terms, is ban all "meaningless" incest. There are many vids, probably including the Aki Sasaki above is "meaningless" in the sense that the whole vid is almost exactly the same, if the cover doesn't say "incest" in big font. A man and a woman in the same house have sex, they could be husband and wife, boyfriend/girlfriend, neighbors, housewife and pizza-delivery guy, or... if the cover says so, they could be mother/son, father/daughter, brother/sister. The whole vid is almost exactly the same except maybe for the 20 seconds foreplay conversation they address each other. It's totally SILLY!

Some of you maybe old enough to have seen Caligula starring Peter O'Toole and Helen Mirren, Caligula incest with his sister. That's epic cinema. At the same time disgusting and arousing.

My pet theory is not that the fandom actually wish to fuck his mother/sister/daughter. I think there are a lot of otaku who are afraid to talk and flirt and hook up with opposite sex. They only have enough courage to interact with family members, so by extension intercourse with family members. DISGUSTING! Hmmm nevermind, it's a foreign country, why do I care woman suck her son's sperm behind closed door? But it's VERY LAME!

Like I said, it's not practical to define a boundary and ban it. Just because an action is wrong it should not be banned as entertainment topic. Like it's fine to show murder on film, but it should be presented with moral bias. Like Ernst Blofeld can murder, but the film use the murder to tell us Blofeld is a bad guy. 007 has license to kill, but he uses it rarely and only in service to Her Majesty. Esp. he never uses his license to kill as a license to fuck.

Used to be some JAV has a pre-credit screen warning the scenes you will see is wrong and illegal. That should be used a lot more often. Fine if you must masturbate to imaginary sister, but you ought to be ashamed of yourself! Also I think every "real" r*** (not typical NTR, and how to distinguish r*** from NTR, my gods that's another barrel of worm) could be concluded with some punishment scene the r**ist has his penis cut off, with a dull knife.
Couldn't agree more, especially about Japan low crime rate. As many docs I seen, I know many crimes whether sex or something else, is not even reported. So that's that.
And I agree about banning. I'm not for banning anything unless it really needs to be banned.

Anyways, I didn't know this topic was still going :rolleyes:
 

LoliKing25

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I think that at the end of the day, people will find a way to get off to what they want. Sure, the internet has implanted tons of deranged fetish into our minds, making us ill in a moral sense, but most continue on adjusting to their new reality. I think most are not good at keeping reality from fantasy, and that's where trouble lies. I can get off to just about anything if I try hard enough, as I think most everyone else can as well. But people are terrible at holding two contradictory views in mental limbo, to evaluate them, and thus is how we get some who like loli going out to molest children, because they lack intelligence and think with their dick. I have noticed a trend of pedo, r*** and incest in JAV. The market supplies demand, but I think most of that demand began as artifical, and was pushed onto people slowly like frog in boiling pot. I'm sure yakuza has something to do with this. Noticed all the incest ads on tube sites? I doubt when they first began that people were clamouring for them, but they became popular via algorithmic encouragement.
 

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I have noticed a trend of pedo, r*** and incest in JAV.
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm coming from someone whose nick is "loli king" but that that statement can't be further from the truth. JAVs of today are tamer and more PC compared to how they were in the 90s or early 2000 - which was the time I began to watch JAVs. Europe porn of yesteryear also involved real lolis (google Color Climax), so did gravure. That you can't find teenage girls anymore doing porn or titillating photoshoots, tells us that porn on the whole is actually improving in this aspect.
 

maload

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10 years ago . actors and actress need to report that he is not her son . and she need to confirm that he is not her son
they need to do this before or after movies s ending
just " rating " is not enough
i dont know what is the problem but its really funny.
there is somebody whom dont know that they are watching " movies "
.....wow there is people like this on the planet too.
 

LoliKing25

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I'm not sure if this is sarcasm coming from someone whose nick is "loli king" but that that statement can't be further from the truth. JAVs of today are tamer and more PC compared to how they were in the 90s or early 2000 - which was the time I began to watch JAVs. Europe porn of yesteryear also involved real lolis (google Color Climax), so did gravure. That you can't find teenage girls anymore doing porn or titillating photoshoots, tells us that porn on the whole is actually improving in this aspect.
I didn't exactly mean modern JAV, just JAV in general. For Pedo, U15 is the most obvious contender, but so are series like MUM (we know why we watch them, and producers know who they market them for). I'd like to also add that JAV has had a complicated history with beast content as well. I agree that JAVs today are more tame, but its still out there if you know where to look. U15 moved underground, but Loli themed is still rampant, and I think going somewhat mainstream in JAV land. I remember Color Climax, and the fallout from it. Not really a big fan of Gravure, so never paid attention to it really. r*** videos seem to be going down in release quantity, but I can't check every corner of releases... Incest remains steady, but gets low release number/press.
 

Taako

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I didn't exactly mean modern JAV, just JAV in general. For Pedo, U15 is the most obvious contender, but so are series like MUM (we know why we watch them, and producers know who they market them for). I'd like to also add that JAV has had a complicated history with beast content as well. I agree that JAVs today are more tame, but its still out there if you know where to look. U15 moved underground, but Loli themed is still rampant, and I think going somewhat mainstream in JAV land. I remember Color Climax, and the fallout from it. Not really a big fan of Gravure, so never paid attention to it really. r*** videos seem to be going down in release quantity, but I can't check every corner of releases... Incest remains steady, but gets low release number/press.
Incest vids are still steady, they simply uses "step" as a way around it. I don't know? I just know its probably to undermine the law and sell more incest theme.
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm coming from someone whose nick is "loli king" but that that statement can't be further from the truth. JAVs of today are tamer and more PC compared to how they were in the 90s or early 2000 - which was the time I began to watch JAVs. Europe porn of yesteryear also involved real lolis (google Color Climax), so did gravure. That you can't find teenage girls anymore doing porn or titillating photoshoots, tells us that porn on the whole is actually improving in this aspect.
You say you can't find teenage girls doing porn or phootshoots anymore, are you kidding me? LOL That hasn't stopped. People getting busted everyday doing that stuff or trying to buy it. I will have to disagree with that statement.

And sure today stuff is tamer, but only because the law has change regarding the material and perhaps people attitudes towards it.
I didn't bring the topic up for the degree of tameness. Is that a word? lol

Anyways, Incest porn is still incest porn, no matter how tame or the plot in the movies.
I don't count "stepfamilies" in the porn. It's not blood related. But I know many see it the same. They can add it if they want.

A Father in the movie "loving" his daughter is still incest. And also pedophile.
Let's be honest here, most AV incest porn shows the "Father" being well above age and the "daughter" being just a kid.

As I said originally, I wonder why Japan has accepted this, almost like a norm?
I'm talking more than people knowing what is fantasy vs. reality. We hear that all the time. Let's move beyond that.

Some possible answers by people here:
1. Japan society see family relations differently. I don't know. I think if that was true, there will be even more incest porn tbh
2. The Yakuza, algorithm, etc. Seems a stretch but... I wouldn't rule it out. The Yakuza has their hands in a lot of stuff; sex business, drugs, laundering, etc

This is just a curiosity topic. It's interesting to see all the different views.
 

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Here are my guesses as to why Japanese porn is the way that it is, not in any order:

Women's place in society: Gender equality gap is wider in Japan, and in porn (not saying in real life), it manifests as women seen more as straight up objects of sex, their only meaning in life being to satisfy and be possessed by men.

Religion: According to wiki, "Japan's indigenous religion, Shinto (Kami-no-Michi), is based in animism, with a belief that supernatural beings dwell in nature. The gods and goddesses of Shinto are not repositories of morality or perfection; instead, they exist within nature and thus, sexuality is an innate part of life itself.[12] Therefore, religious attitudes are no obstacle to the presence of pornographic material in Japan's society."

Compare this to the USA for example, founded by Christians, which teaches lust as a sin, thus its porn industry (and other entertainment) is more tame when it comes to sex. Or at least it pretends to be. There's a lot of "just-turned-18" and jailbait type of porn, which shows that America likes young girls too, they just can't be as blunt and honest about it, because that would be sinful.

Censorship: Japanese AV is still censored, so they have to rely more on themes and concepts than just straight up gonzo sex. So there's more variety and more "taboo" topics that are touched upon.

Those are just my guesses on this, I am not an expert on this. Honestly, if you're looking for a genuine answer as to why their porn industry is the way that it is, maybe you should seek out a Japanese professor or historian. Any answers here probably won't suffice for you. Most of us aren't native Japanese and can't speak to their morals and culture; we just like their porn LOL.
 
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Here are my guesses as to why Japanese porn is the way that it is, not in any order:

Women's place in society: Gender equality gap is wider in Japan, and in porn (not saying in real life), it manifests as women seen more as straight up objects of sex, their only meaning in life being to satisfy and be possessed by men.

Religion: According to wiki, "Japan's indigenous religion, Shinto (Kami-no-Michi), is based in animism, with a belief that supernatural beings dwell in nature. The gods and goddesses of Shinto are not repositories of morality or perfection; instead, they exist within nature and thus, sexuality is an innate part of life itself.[12] Therefore, religious attitudes are no obstacle to the presence of pornographic material in Japan's society."

Compare this to the USA for example, founded by Christians, which teaches lust as a sin, thus its porn industry (and other entertainment) is more tame when it comes to sex. Or at least it pretends to be. There's a lot of "just-turned-18" and jailbait type of porn, which shows that America likes young girls too, they just can't be as blunt and honest about it, because that would be sinful.

Censorship: Japanese AV is still censored, so they have to rely more on themes and concepts than just straight up gonzo sex. So there's more variety and more "taboo" topics that are touched upon.

Those are just my guesses on this, I am not an expert on this. Honestly, if you're looking for a genuine answer as to why their porn industry is the way that it is, maybe you should seek out a Japanese professor or historian. Any answers here probably won't suffice for you. Most of us aren't native Japanese and can't speak to their morals and culture; we just like their porn LOL.

i really wonder what kind of answer that you want ??

i dont know why japanes company cant do incest movies .
how come only adam and his wife make 6000 millon man nowaday
boys kill father and mother was r*** and then become his wife .
this happen 2 millon years ago

titan kill thier father .

yeah i guess all this titan may not fuck with his mother ??

i hope but semm like.....they have 3 baby or more together.

i guess all white man here know what is " titan"

that s first incest in white s history ..

this happen before japan or ****** country is born .

let called this country " that perfect country who said incest is taboo but i used to do it "

usa have too much incest nowaday .

how about monbangteen ... granpafuckteen ....he is not mygrandpa


its because american is bad ??

american want to fuck thier mother ?
or they are just people who want someting for faping ?
please dont think that american porn do incest becasue they have watched japanesas movies.

now
i begin to wonder what do you really want ??

all this topic ..when i say it just fantacy then you say its BEYOUN that ?

so what answer do you want ??

o japanese want to r*** their mother because they watch incest movies ??

this country full of sick people ?? why ?? how his mother teach him ?how they are born?

sick socity " they dont respect women ? and so on ...

anything that ...badddd


so why american do incest porn and nobody want to know why they do it ??

its just fantacy ?? for americans porn.....no question for this.

but you need more than fantacy for " japanese movies "

why do they do r*** movies ....why and why

why only american porn can do it ??
 
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kssk

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I don't know why you're quoting me, incest is my favorite genre in porn. It's literally my user name LOL.
 

Taako

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i really wonder what kind of answer that you want ??

i dont know why japanes company cant do incest movies .
how come only adam and his wife make 6000 millon man nowaday
boys kill father and mother was r*** and then become his wife .
this happen 2 millon years ago

titan kill thier father .

yeah i guess all this titan may not fuck with his mother ??

i hope but semm like.....they have 3 baby or more together.

i guess all white man here know what is " titan"

that s first incest in white s history ..

this happen before japan or ****** country is born .

let called this country " that perfect country who said incest is taboo but i used to do it "

usa have too much incest nowaday .

how about monbangteen ... granpafuckteen ....he is not mygrandpa


its because american is bad ??

american want to fuck thier mother ?
or they are just people who want someting for faping ?
please dont think that american porn do incest becasue they have watched japanesas movies.

now
i begin to wonder what do you really want ??

all this topic ..when i say it just fantacy then you say its BEYOUN that ?

so what answer do you want ??

o japanese want to r*** their mother because they watch incest movies ??

this country full of sick people ?? why ?? how his mother teach him ?how they are born?

sick socity " they dont respect women ? and so on ...

anything that ...badddd


so why american do incest porn and nobody want to know why they do it ??

its just fantacy ?? for americans porn.....no question for this.

but you need more than fantacy for " japanese movies "

why do they do r*** movies ....why and why

why only american porn can do it ??
As I stated several times. This is just for curiosity and nothing more. It's a topic to see people opinions. If I wanted some answers than I would indeed seek a citizen of Japan or ask a professor.
 

twenie

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I didn't exactly mean modern JAV, just JAV in general. For Pedo, U15 is the most obvious contender, but so are series like MUM (we know why we watch them, and producers know who they market them for). I'd like to also add that JAV has had a complicated history with beast content as well. I agree that JAVs today are more tame, but its still out there if you know where to look. U15 moved underground, but Loli themed is still rampant, and I think going somewhat mainstream in JAV land. I remember Color Climax, and the fallout from it. Not really a big fan of Gravure, so never paid attention to it really. r*** videos seem to be going down in release quantity, but I can't check every corner of releases... Incest remains steady, but gets low release number/press.
You mentioned "trend" (which I presume a positive and not a negative one) and I replied to that.

Incest vids are still steady, they simply uses "step" as a way around it. I don't know? I just know its probably to undermine the law and sell more incest theme.

You say you can't find teenage girls doing porn or phootshoots anymore, are you kidding me? LOL That hasn't stopped. People getting busted everyday doing that stuff or trying to buy it. I will have to disagree with that statement.

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As I said originally, I wonder why Japan has accepted this, almost like a norm?
I'm talking more than people knowing what is fantasy vs. reality. We hear that all the time. Let's move beyond that.

Some possible answers by people here:
1. Japan society see family relations differently. I don't know. I think if that was true, there will be even more incest porn tbh
2. The Yakuza, algorithm, etc. Seems a stretch but... I wouldn't rule it out. The Yakuza has their hands in a lot of stuff; sex business, drugs, laundering, etc

This is just a curiosity topic. It's interesting to see all the different views.
I don't talk about illegal things, why did you bring that to me? I'm talking about legally sold porn (inlcuding JAVs) which don't involve underage boys and girls anymore.

The answer for your question why Japan allows depiction of such acts in fantasy is because the law says so. Why the law says so? Because it's just what it is. Most of the time there's no complex social phenomena underlying what a law says, just like why genitals are still censored in JAVs till today but asssholes aren't.

Anyway, go to pixiv if you haven't. You won't think about JAVs anymore compared to what uncensored human imagination, creativity, talent, and skill can come up with,
 

Taako

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You mentioned "trend" (which I presume a positive and not a negative one) and I replied to that.


I don't talk about illegal things, why did you bring that to me? I'm talking about legally sold porn (inlcuding JAVs) which don't involve underage boys and girls anymore.

The answer for your question why Japan allows depiction of such acts in fantasy is because the law says so. Why the law says so? Because it's just what it is. Most of the time there's no complex social phenomena underlying what a law says, just like why genitals are still censored in JAVs till today but asssholes aren't.

Anyway, go to pixiv if you haven't. You won't think about JAVs anymore compared to what uncensored human imagination, creativity, talent, and skill can come up with,
You seem to be taking things too serious, and for that it's best to focus the hostilities to someone else. Reply to others, but not me.
 

twenie

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You seem to be taking things too serious, and for that it's best to focus the hostilities to someone else. Reply to others, but not me.
You wrote to me and now I shouldn't replied back? That's not what my mom taught me how I should deal with others.

BTW I love you so don't be afraid of me <3 <3
 

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Anyway, go to pixiv if you haven't. You won't think about JAVs anymore compared to what uncensored human imagination, creativity, talent, and skill can come up with,
I second Pixiv. Tons of amazing things there, but also tons of things like 3D Toddlercon as well. A mixed bag indeed.
 
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