End of r*** in ero anime and games?

[pigsy]

Like Sakunyuusha says "Monkey See Monkey Do" does hold up well and there are always exceptions to any rule but it is just an observation and not a call to action. I am anti-censorship.
Hollywood, indeed all the storytelling and all the imagary ever created will influence thehuman beings who see it, read itor experience it in any way. And that is just the way it is, not good not bad.
Going back to the original post I personaly dont like r*** and seeing it simulated doesnt do it for me but I can appreciate that it does it for some. The things that do do it for me were formed by what I experienced as a child and maybe in past lives, "Monkey See Monkey Do"

 

[Sakunyuusha]

I'll say this much: you take a look at Miss Bianca from Disney's The Rescuers Down Under, Minerva Mink from the TV show Animaniacs, Lola Bunny from the movie Space Jam, and Maid Marian from Disney's Robin Hood, and it's small wonder that a good chunk of children grow up to have a thing for anthropomorphic female animals. Heck, makes me wonder why I'm not a furry in spite of the exposure! lol So sure, there's bound to be something to the idea that humans repeat what they see.

In fact, I lived a great example, speaking of Looney Tunes. When I was a 6-year old boy, I saw a Looney Tunes cartoon in which Sylvester was running away from the boxing kangaroo. (Do you remember these ones?) In this particular episode, there's a part where he's hiding amongst some boxes and biting his fingernails and his teeth chatter from fear. I had seen fingernail biting before, but for whatever reason it was the exposure to this specific episode which got me to go and try it out for myself. And then for the next 17 years I bit my nails until, one day last year, I quit biting my nails cold turkey and haven't bit them since. But for seventeen years I bit my nails, and I don't know that I would have ever even thought to do it were it not for that cartoon.

Copy & paste for suicide. I'm not suicidal, but so much so that I really don't think I would have even come up with the idea of suicide had I not been exposed to it via films, literature, and conversations with kids my own age in middle school. It's just a thought that never would have even occurred to me. And now? Suicide seems like such a natural, inevitable part of the human condition for a lot of people. I don't even question its existence. It's as much a fact as the sky being blue. I'm convinced that a lot of other human beings are like me in this regard, and I'm convinced that among these are a percentage -- maybe small, maybe large, I can't know for sure -- who end up trying to commit suicide for whatever reason. And I can't help but think to myself, "These people wouldn't have even tried it if they'd never known about suicide in the first place."

Three different examples in defense of Monkey See, Monkey Do.

Just thought I'd write these to show that, yes, I do agree that it's a real human phenomenon. I just don't think it's grounds for outright banning offensive material. Because, and I do believe this as well, even if I wouldn't have thought of Bad Things X, Y, and Z on my own, somebody else surely would have. You can't ban offensive material in the hopes of ridding the world of those offenses because there's always going to be somebody who will come along and reinvent them. Somebody who will reinvent r*** (i.e. "the New World Order's first r**ist"), somebody who will reinvent murder ("the New World Order's first murderer"), etc, and the moment those people take such actions, they will be planting the seeds of such knowledge in the heads of the police, lawyers, judges, and victims' family members involved with such cases. And the idea will spread like wildfire, because the lawyers will discuss their cases at home, their family members will discuss the case at school or work with their friends, and before you know it, the viral idea's gone completely pandemic.

 

[Ceewan]

I don't care if it is off-topic

lol
I loved that Sylvester episode, it is the one where he is teaching his son to be a mouser and keeps facing the boxing baby kangaroo that kicks his butt but his son thinks it is just a little mouse beating him up. That was a classic.

 

[Sakunyuusha]

But truth be told, I guess I'm getting off topic in that last post because I began talking about how it's not possible to banish the actual real-world crimes and yet this isn't even a discussion about that! This is a discussion about a group of activists trying to get fictional criminal acts banned. To be completely fair and accurate, the activists do not wish to ban all fictional criminal acts. They only want to ban those which are meant to be pleasurable to the viewer, such as erotic r*** scenes. Such scenes are clearly meant to arouse the viewer (and possibly help him/her to achieve sexual climax if he/she is masturbating while watching the video), and yet they portray actions which in real life are heinous.

-- This post is going to focus mostly on discussion of why I believe real r*** is bad (to establish my own platform for the reader), and towards the end I'll begin to segue into why I think r*** hentai should be protected/allowed for under common international law. Most of that will go in a reply I've yet to write. -- Sakun, after posting this

In a way, the activists' goal is a good one. They want to erase real-life r*** from the face of the planet. That's their ultimate goal. They believe (imo incorrectly) that fictional r*** poses a significant risk to women as it might encourage men to act out the fictional r*** scenes in real life. That's the only reason they want to ban fictional r***: to prevent real r*** from ever happening.

If some of you want to allow for real-world r***, I'm afraid I'm going to have to hop over the fence and fight you tooth and nail on this one. In my honest opinion, real r*** is one of the most terrible things that can be done to a person. You have to have total disregard or disdain (one or the other) for your victim's humanity if you decide to r*** them and follow through on it. You have to be someone who is unfathomably selfish: because all r*** does for you is give you a sexual high that lasts less than an hour, but for your victim it has the potential to ruin their life. Here are just some of the ways r*** can ruin the victim's life:

• STDs
  • if it's fatal and incurable, you've basically killed them
  • if it's painful and incurable, you've basically mutilated them
  • if it's curable but expensive to cure, you've condemned them to a life of suffering if they are poor and you've robbed from them the cost of the cure if they can afford the cure and decide to get it
  • if it's noticeable and incurable, or if it's contagious and incurable, you may have caused them to separate from their spouse. After all, if a woman is newlywed to a young man but is r***ing by an HIV+ r**ist and contracts the virus, she may divorce her husband to spare him from sharing in her cruel fate. That means you (the r**ist) caused that divorce.
• Pregnancy
  • If she doesn't believe in abortion, you're forcing her to choose between giving up the baby for adoption and raising the child of the fucker who r***ing her, i.e. you (the hypothetical r**ist)
  • if she does believe in abortion but is squeamish about it, you're forcing her to choose between all three options
  • if her family and/or spouse disapprove of her getting an abortion but she decides to get one anyway, you are worsening her relationship with her kin
  • and as for the child, what about him/her? Can you imagine how fucked up that kid would be if somebody told them at an early age, "Your daddy isn't your real daddy. Your real daddy was just some guy who r***ing your mommy" ? How selfish do you have to be to say, "Fuck them, I don't care, I just need some pussy" ?
• Trauma & Psychological Changes
  • some victims of r*** end up committing suicide because of it. That makes you (the hypothetical r**ist) a murderer.
  • some victims of r*** become so ashamed of themselves for feeling physical pleasure during the r*** that they either:
    • can no longer have sex again and feel good about it, or
    • become whores
    Either way, you caused that. And it's nothing to be proud of.
  • some victims of r*** go the other direction and become incredibly uncomfortable, disgusted, nauseated, etc. if their spouse tries to make love to them. For these people, you've closed the door to sexual pleasure for the rest of their lives -- just so you could have a couple of hours with one vagina.
  • some victims of r*** become misanthropists. In fact, I bet this group of activists has a handful of women who have experienced just this! Very tragic, nothing to make fun of: they were r***ing by one man, and now by proxy they hate all men. What a waste of a life. You've basically ruined her: you've turned her into a foaming-at-the-mouth, full-of-hate feminazi who would erase all boys and men from the planet if she could. The world could use one less feminazi. In fact, it could use a whole lot less. Feminists, yay. Feminazis, boo.
  • Some victims of r*** are traumatized by the experience and have flashbacks or nightmares just like Vietnam War veterans can have of combat. You can turn a nice, functional woman into a neurotic nutcase by one selfish action.

So let no one intimate that I am in favor of real r***, because I am not, and the writing's right there on the wall for everyone to read. That stated, there's a difference between fantasy and reality!! At least for me there is. I'm sure there are some guys out there who like r*** hentai which portrays r*** 100% realistically. I'm not one of those guys. But from the looks of things, neither are 97% (made-up number) of hentai artists or hentai fans. Because it looks like 97% of the r*** in hentai is very titillating and yet unrealistic in one or more of the following ways:

• the woman physically enjoys it. This is incredibly rare for real-life sex but can occur. It doesn't mean she psychologically approves. By definition, if she approves, it's not r***!! So let's not fool ourselves, folks: if we're discussing r***, then we're discussing sex that the woman's brain is saying "NO!" to. However ...
• the woman comes around to psychologically enjoying it! This is really, really common in r*** hentai. The woman starts of shouting "NO!" and kicking and clawing, but usually some time between when she's penetrated and when the man delivers his first cumdump inside of her, the typical hentai r*** victim settles down a bit and gets confused by the mixed signals her body is sending her. By the time he's cummed inside of her for the second time, she's beginning to comply, and by the third time she's got her eyes rolled back in her head and her tongue lolling out of her mouth with a stupid look of sheer ecstasy on her face. That's what you call "a r*** fantasy," folks: because it ain't realistic at all, but it's what the good majority of r*** fetishists jack off to. The idea that "no" can melt into "yes." Or that he can win the woman over with his dick. It's laughably fantastical, but that's the fetish for you. No different from futa or tentacles, I suppose.
• the hentai never shows a woman enacting a Bad End. By this, I mean that r*** hentai always, always, always ends in one of three ways:
  (1) the girl winds up liking it. Usually, these stories end by showing her on the last page fucking a bunch of guys. Sometimes she even becomes a professional hooker/whore for the yakuza group that r***ing her. Other times she might be fucking a ton of guys while her husband comes home from work, and she's fucking them all right there on their bed and is smiling and moaning with pleasure while she calls out to her husband. Sometimes her husband calls home via telephone and she answers the phone while fucking the guy who had initially been her r**ist and who is now her secret lover. Quite common, and all of them totally unrealistic.
  
  (2) the author dodges the importance of what's going on by ending on a totally unrelated note. This is usually comical and occurs in light-hearted r*** hentai. For example, a young man might make the moves onto an unwilling older woman at the laundromat, but the woman eventually gives in to her own body's desires (so it's sorta r***, technically, but evolves into consensual sex pretty fast), and the last page might end after the guy cums inside of the woman and maybe it shows other people in the laundromat watching them. Or maybe the dryer's buzzer rings and scared the guy so badly he ejaculates prematurely and inside of the woman's vagina, and the last page jokes about that. Or something. But again, this is sort of dodging the issue.
  
  (3) The preface to the Bad End. This is a single page which just shows the woman lying on the bed/floor/[whatever surface]. Her eyes look glazed over as she stares off somewhere into space. She is not smiling, nor is she crying. She's just totally zoned out. Usually the artist depicts these endings by showing the woman still totally naked, covered in cum, and all you see of the man/men who r***ing her are some speech bubbles with him/them telling her that he/they really enjoyed it. Depending on how the artist draws the lighting, it's implied that the men are on their way out the door and plan on leaving the girl just like that. They're not going to help her clean herself up. They're not going to do anything for her. This is darker and more realistic, but once again, the artist doesn't want to kill the fetishist's hard-on so he ends things here on this page. He doesn't show what would happen in real life on the next several pages: the woman breaks down into hysteric screams and tears, pulls out her husband's revolver from the medicine cabinet, and blows her brains out all over their bedroom. Husband comes home to discover his wife, r***ing and self-executed, her remains strewn across the bedroom. Fucking horrific and not hot at all (to 99.9% of people; obviously the guro and snuff crowd might like this). Also not at all how most r*** hentai ends. These sorts of ends are almost never shown explicitly. Like I said, if the r*** is not enjoyed by the woman, normally the story just ends with her in a daze as the r**ist(s) leave and that's it.

Right? So if you've read all of this (wow! and thanks!), then you've hopefully reached my first conclusion with me: that there is a whole lot of difference between the fantasy of fictional r***, the fantasy of real r***, and the execution of real r***. They're three totally different things. What a r*** fetishist dreams about and what a prospective r**ist dreams about can be two very different things. And while the prospective r**ist may dream about things similar to the real r**ist, there's still even a difference between them. Only a real r**ist would hold so much disregard for human life that he would follow through on it.

So ... more in the next post, I guess. But I need to take a break myself, so I'll stop here for now and allow for replies.

 

[Sakunyuusha]

So! Now a hopefully shorter second half. ^^;

What role, if any, can r*** hentai serve in our society?
Let me get this one out immediately: I am n-o-t going to claim that hentai can help potential rapists avoid raping women. I am also not going to claim that hentai encourages potential rapists to go out and r*** women. I think it's 50/50 and that's why both sides of the argument haven't won. They both point to convincing anecdotes, they both point to convincing scientific studies, and yet the argument rages on. Why? Because they're both probably right and they're both probably wrong.

But it's just like me and Sylvester in Looney Tunes! I bet some kids bite their nails because they see cartoon characters doing it, like me, but we all know that a lot of other kids watch the exact same cartoons and don't grow up to become nail-biters. Also, we know that there are kids who bite their nails in Africa or Indonesia or Russia who may have never seen a single episode of Looney Tunes in their entire life. So the point is, just like me, Sylvester, and nail-biting, I think the same thing is true for rapists, hentai, and r***. Some rapists might not have r***ing if they hadn't been exposed to it in hentai, but I think it's also fair to say that most of them would have r***ing anyway (it just would have been a different trigger) and that some of them may even decide N-O-T to r*** a woman after seeing a hentai! (For example, a hentai, however titillating and cheap of a comic it may be, might still give a guy a heads up warning about getting a girl pregnant or going to jail or being shot in the head by the girl he r***ing who turns out to be an armed, female psychopath.) So yeah. That's not the point of this post.

Back on track, then, what is r*** hentai good for? Why protect it? Why care?
Pure and simple, r*** hentai is just another form of porn. The end.

But for those of you who demand more, I'm here to give it to you. ;D

• I don't think banning porn is good. (That's a whole other essay!)
• I don't think much good would come of banning popular porn fetishes.
• r*** is a popular porn fetish.
• Conclusion: I don't think much good would come of banning r*** hentai.

You might avert one or two r***s if you illegalize fictional r*** pornography. And I'm not saying that those lives aren't worth saving. They are! But we have to be fair and balanced. We have to ask ourselves, "Is it worth it to take this action to achieve this outcome?" And to me, banning a huge selection of porn from the face of the earth, were it even possible, would not be beneficial to the planet as a whole. You save two lives, but like I said earlier, you may also endanger two new lives if two men now turn into rapists and they wouldn't have done so had they been exposed to r*** hentai and seen for themselves why it's not a good idea to do it in real life. So you didn't win. Two innocent women were r***ing because of hentai, and now two different innocent women are being r***ing without hentai. And in the mean time ...! In the mean time, you have a planet full of hundreds of millions of sexually-frustrated men -AND- women who want their r*** porn but can't have it because Big Brother told them so! Seems like a losing situation to me. You didn't save any net amount of lives -- you just swapped who got to live and who got to die. And in addition, 10% of the survivors on Planet Earth are now more unhappy than before. And you have nothing to show for it! lol Revolution much? XD

Wait a sec. Why can't we ban r*** hentai? You just said it might not even be possible.
See my earlier posts in this thread. I know they're long. Sorry. In a nutshell, "human ingenuity disallows for the eradication of ideas from the planet." You can try to erase it, but it's just a matter of time before somebody re-invents it.

Tell me why r*** hentai is good.
I dunno, it's a matter of personal preference. lol But I can tell you this much, if you'll listen:

When I first got into hentai, I only liked the really softcore stuff. I couldn't stand any implication of r***. Some time between then and now (lol), many years ago, I got to the point where I had seen enough hentai and could read enough Japanese that I knew the difference between hentai where the woman is consenting all the time, hentai where the woman is resisting at first but then consents later, and hentai where the woman is resisting the entire time. And I noticed, for whatever reason -- don't ask me! I don't know -- that I loved #2 best, followed by #1, and in a super distant 3rd place was #3. To this day, I still don't like f***rced sex that stays forced the entire time. But vice versa, I'm really turned on when the girl is initially against it but later comes to like it.

This probably has some crossover for explaining why I like corruption-themed hentai. If a woman is r***ing but as the r*** continues it ceases to be r*** (i.e. it transforms into consensual sex as she begs the man for more cock), it's just another form of transformation, isn't it? And I like a lot of transformation hentai. No idea why, but I do and I'm not ashamed of it or anything, lol:
- I like it when the girl is innocent but becomes slutty
- I like it when the girl transforms into a vampire, demoness, succubus, etc.
- I like it when a guy transforms into a girl (not futa) and likes it
- I like it when a flat-chested girl transforms into a big-breasted girl
- I like it when a teen girl transforms into a woman
- for whatever reason (don't ask me! XD), I like it when a thin girl is transformed into a fat girl but still gets lovin', both psychological love and physical love. (That stated, I really don't have much of a thing for the debu fetish normally. Transformation, though, I really like! lol So I'm a fan of Kato Hayabusa's work, but not of the stuff people on imageboards post since that's usually just fat women with no other context to it.)

So I think you can see, I like transformation-themed hentai. And for me, a girl who goes from not wanting it to wanting it is a big turn-on. But by definition, you can't see a girl not wanting it and yet getting it unless she's being r***ing. Duh. So, as per my fetish, I'm a fan of r*** hentai. Not all of it, but the vast majority of it since, like I said above, most r*** hentai either ends with the girl psychologically transforming into a cock-starved slut or it wasn't even really "r***" in the first place (like the laundromat example, where it was technically r*** 'cause the guy did her even though she said No, but even from the beginning she found him attractive, was horny, her vagina was juicing up, she was daydreaming about having sex with him, etc, and the only reason she said No was 'cause of the time and the place).

But the thing is, THIS ISN'T ABOUT ME! And it isn't about you, either! This is about all of us, the entire planet. My ultimate point that I want to make, if nothing else, is that even if my fetish disturbs you and you think that the world would be a better place without it:
(1) you don't have any solid evidence which suggests a significant net benefit to the planet if we ban it, and
(2) even if you did have such evidence, we still would want to reconsider banning r*** hentai because calling it "r*** hentai" is simply too much of a blanket statement. There is no such one thing as "r*** hentai" even though we've been calling it that the entire time. In real life, every single hentai artist has his own thoughts about r*** and those thoughts play out in his comics. Some r*** hentai is misogynistic, showing women with bruises, cuts, broken teeth, and their hair being tugged. Some r*** hentai is obsessed with the idea of getting women pregnant and spreading one's seed. Same r*** hentai is focused on the man's sexual dysfunction. There are tons of subgenres to "r*** hentai" just as there are so many different motives for real-life r***, and to simply ban ALL of them under the blanket clause of banning all "r*** hentai" is ludicrous and insincere.

If these women truly care about saving real-life women from r*** rather than being sensational, then I have one thing to say to them: back track just a few steps, and decide what it is about r*** hentai, specifically, that you dislike and just go after that. If you hate something I like, then I hope you lose if and when we meet in political battle. lol But for fuck's sake, don't try to just ban all r*** hentai. You can't do it, and even if you could, it wouldn't be fair and it wouldn't make the world a better place overall.

 

[fr0stbyte]

Another post on Sankaku Complex http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/21/r***-games-far-more-dangerous-than-normal-porn/

Here's the data presented.

UN r*** Rates per 100,000
Canada - 78.08
Australia - 77.79
USA - 32.05
Sweden - 24.47
UK - 16.23
France - 14.36
S. Korea - 12.98
Germany - 9.12
Russia - 4.78
Taiwan - 4.08
Japan - 1.78

Considering the fact that there are many unreported cases (as one of the previous posters said) one cannot assume that Japan is a much safer place. Though we should also consider that unreported cases also exist in other countries so who knows how many more cases are not reported to the authorities. Another interesting note would be the top two countries on the list, Canada and Australia, both of which have regulation against lolicon. Interesting ain't it?

 

[daredemonai]

Again, as someone who has lived in Japan for many years, I doubt the veracity of any of those statistics, including those of countries other than Japan. There are too many factors to consider. For example, Canada just may pursue r*** cases more aggressively, and have a system that makes it much easier for women (or men) to report r***. I can tell you with absolute confidence that the idea that there are only 1.78 r***s per 100,000 citizens annually in Japan is pure folly.

Note that in those same statistics, countries listed as having even fewer r***s per capita include Islamic nations such as Qatar, Indonesia, Yemen, and Saudi Arabia. Does anyone honestly believe there are fewer r***s in those countries, where a woman who says she is r***ing might be actually be charged with violating Sharia Law herself, while her attacker goes free?

There are any number of ways to argue that such games should not be banned, but can we finally give up on the "Japan has fewer r***s, so r*** games are actually good" argument? It simply does not hold water.

 

[Sakunyuusha]

Attention! Was my post too long? Then I have just the story for you!

Here is a great textbook example of what I was trying to talk about. Read the story for yourself and see what I mean when I say, "Sometimes a story starts off with r*** but it evolves into consensual sex as time goes on." It has a completely different look and feel from the darker, grittier comics which depict women as fucktoys to be locked away inside of a dark broom closet whenever you're not using them. If the feminist activists want to go after any r*** hentai, I would hope that the stuff in this link is the last thing they'd pick for their first target. -_-; lol

 

[Ceewan]

What I don't understand is how willing people are to censor things that are disagreeable to others. I am not saying everyone shouldn't have the right to choose for themselves what they find acceptable I just don't think they have the right to choose for everyone.

Japanese hentai games tell a story and for most of them the story changes depending on the players choices. I don't care how dark or how depraved the story is, it is a work of fiction, one with pictures, some interaction, and with multiple paths. This type of story telling is high-tech art in its' early stages. So if some of the stories allow us to face a darker part of ourselves who is to say this is a bad thing.

Are we going to start burning horror books and stories with unhappy endings or about dark subjects? There are any number of books with r***, f***rced sex, taboo sex, incest, murder, torture, humilation, prostitution, and any number of offensive acts and subject matters. There will always be someone who objects to a book, an anime, sculpture, painting, photgraph, film, or maybe even a hentai game. It is their right to object and it is their right to not enjoy material they find offensive. It is not their right to choose what others are allowed to see, read, hear, or enjoy and it never should be.

Sorry, I had to get that of my chest.

 

[Sakunyuusha]

No, I can relate quite well!

No offense, but I hate horror movies. The worst kinds are the ones with no plot and senseless brutality. Brutality that serves a story-based purpose is bad enough for me (like in Watchmen when they showed the dogs eating [you-know-what, don't want to spoil the film]), but when you go around poking out people's eyeballs and shoving butcher knives down through their skulls and into their brains for no better reason than the director thought it would look cool, that's when I call Time Out.

Does this mean I judge you if you tell me you love those sorts of movies? Duh. Of course I judge you. You judge me for liking lactating women, I judge you for liking slasher horror films. We judge one another and say, "Man, he's fucked up." That's the way life is: everybody thinks the other guy is more fucked up than he himself is. LOL

Does it mean I want to take those movies away from you? No.

Does it mean I think they make you more likely to commit the disgusting crimes portrayed in those movies. Net effect, no. (Like I said earlier in the discussion but r*** and r*** comics, for every n people who the movie encourages to perform those barbaric acts, I think it equally discourages a different group of n people. I don't see any convincing unilateral evidence in the "media made me do it!" debate.)

And does it mean I want you locked up in prison, just because I think you've got a sick sense of humor if you like watching horror films? NO!

Pop quiz: let's say you re-enacted what you saw in the movie Freddy vs. Jason but in real life and with real victims. How likely do you think it'd be that you'd be found guilty on multiple counts of homicide and would be sentenced to death or to life imprisonment?

C'mon, folks, this isn't Jeopardy. ;P You're damn right you'd get the chair. (Or the needle, or whatever it is they do or don't do in your place of residence.)

And yet those movies -- and fans of those movies -- are free to go about their business. Nobody pulls their daughter closer to them when Bob goes to the library and checks out Stephen King's It. Nobody calls the cops when they spot somebody watching Friday the 13th on Blu-Ray. So why the double-standard?

You call the cops when you see a clown in a sewer drain ripping a kid's arm off.
You call the cops when you see a masked man axing people to death.
And you call the cops when you see some sick fuck raping a poor innocent man or woman.

But for reading a comic? GET REAL! >_<

 

[daredemonai]

Very well put, Sakunyuusha. That's why I can agree with Equality Now that the games are repugnant (by my standards), but disagree with their campaign to essentially have them banned. Like any other NPO, they rely on donations, and have a limited budget. Every dollar, pound, euro, or yen spent on this largely symbolic campaign is one less dollar, pound, euro, or yen to spend on the many genuinely important issues they are tackling.

 

[Hellmen]

Equality Now is aiming for smaller overseas companies since they're the easiest to pick on. Imagine EN throwing their tantrum at big name companies like Rockstar Games (creators of GTA) and the long, expensive legal battle they have to go through. It's obvious companies that no one gives a damn about based in far more liberal countries with different cultural values and different laws are the best targets to go for.

 

[daredemonai]

Hellmen, have you actually looked through Equality Now's website? The content of Grand Theft Auto falls outside the purview of E.N.'s activities, and even if it did not, E.N. doesn't sue anyone, so there would be no "long, expensive legal battle." As I said before, I think this is a waste of E.N.'s resources, but please brush up on what E.N. actually does before you make sweeping judgments.

 

[HENTAIBEN]

Japan to ban all r*** games?

Sorry if this has been posted, but I've noticed a few articles on the net today claiming that Japan is going to ban ALL r*** games.

If this is true, well that's bullshit. I don't really play many H-Games, but the fact that it's being censored still bothers me. And what's to stop them from extending this to Anime and Manga? Then it really would affect me.

Discuss.

 

[elgringo14]

Sorry if this has been posted, but I've noticed a few articles on the net today claiming that Japan is going to ban ALL r*** games.

If this is true, well that's bullshit. I don't really play many H-Games, but the fact that it's being censored still bothers me. And what's to stop them from extending this to Anime and Manga? Then it really would affect me.

Discuss.

A similar discussion started more than two weeks ago in the News section:

http://www.akiba-online.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77198

Did you miss it somehow ? etrfied:

 

[Sakunyuusha]

The implications this has for hentai are enormous.

No more tentacles: the only ones which will be allowed are monsters who ask first and the girl says, "Yes, please do!" or monsters who don't ask but the girl likes it anyway. I expect the latter would be more common, but it still rules out almost every single tentacle monster story printed to date.

No more brainwashing: this would be considered analogous to date r***.

No more aphrodisiacs without prior consent and authorization: this would also be considered date r***.

No more spontaneous sex unless the girl smiles/laughs right from the start: if a story shows a guy throwing a girl onto the bed, pulling down her pants, doing anything remotely sexual to her in nature and she makes a scared or angry face, BAM, banned. This rules out a hell of a lot of hentai period since it's how a good chunk of all hentai stories get the sex ball rolling.

No more blackmail sex: this could be construed as r***, i.e. f***rced sex, even if the sex act itself is not being physically forced upon the woman.

No more drunk sex: again, this could be construed as date r***, i.e. the woman wasn't in her right mind.

On and on the list goes.

The sad thing is, if this goes through for eroges, then it's just a hop, skip, and a jump to H-anime and H-manga. And if they tap H-manga, I'mma gonna be fucking pissed.

 

[HENTAIBEN]

A similar discussion started more than two weeks ago in the News section:

http://www.akiba-online.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77198

Did you miss it somehow ? etrfied:

Sorry, I did miss it sadly. I don't check all the forums on AO. I guess I could've used the search function or something but the site was going pretty slow at the time I posted so I was just happy to finally get it posted.

 

[daredemonai]

Big news: Japan's Ethics Organization for Computer Software (not the Japanese government!) has issued a ban on the production and sale of r*** simulation games to go into effect June 2:

http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/05/28/r***-games-are-now-banned-in-japan/
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/92012-r***-Games-Banned-in-Japan
http://news.tbs.co.jp/newseye/tbs_newseye4143799.html
http://matt-thorn.com/wordpress/?p=341

 

[HENTAIBEN]

Boy, I really failed when I made this topic. Not only did I miss an existing topic, but now it seems that r*** games are NOT banned in Japan. More info here.

 

[Sakunyuusha]

This is what you might call subterfuge. On the surface, it looks like TBS went against the eroge industry and aired a pessimistic prediction of the future as if it were a currently-unfolding affair. But in reality, I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that the eroge industry approached TBS and asked them to do this to increase domestic awareness of the issue. After all, the fight has been brought to Japan's shores by an international (i.e. overseas) group and many stay-at-home voters might not have fought in defense of eroges had they not taken this fight seriously until it was too late. By airing such a gloom-and-doom story a number of weeks before the matter is put to a vote, TBS has spurred to action many moderates on both sides of the fence -- and I think the eroge industry is hedging their bets that more pro-r*** hentai moderates will come out of the woodwork than anti-r*** hentai moderates will, i.e. the story will be beneficial to them in the end.

Maybe it's just the conspiracy theorist in me talking. ;p But for the record, I do suspect that this is what really happened.