JAV NTR for me is.....complicated(tm)

GemeralMarcus · Sep 12, 2020

Okay, so for some reasons, I'm kinda into JAV again (probably this covid shut in thing). Well, I can't say I once into JAV, but many years ago, I watched a few random films here and there and never really into the actress name, etc. A very casual viewer.

I (don't laugh) just found out 'bout this NTR thing. So after quite a number of films, I kinda get the general premise, and understand there are many variations about the middle-end and endings.

I'm almost sure I'm taking this wrong, but I can't help it. I dunno why it always breaks my heart for the NTR films where - unfortunately most of them - the ending is the woman was never found out and kept doing it, or running with the r**ist, or falling in love with the r**ist, and the worst, the hubby got shattered when he found out and watched the action. Even worse, some variants has the woman realized she was caught in the act but still pumping while saying BS like "I'm sorry", the weak pathethic hubby left the house and she still bouncing until the end.

There was only ONE, only one that I watched where the r**ist got what he deserves. When the ending was the woman fought back, literally kicked the r**ist down the stairs, I was like "Yeah!!! Finally a woman with a very simple basic common sense of a 10 years old". But ~95% the r**ist always wins one way or another.

Thing is I can't stop watching these bloody films, 'cause the actress are bloody gorgeous and some of my fave actress are in it. So watching these hurts and doesn't bring any joy to me, but I can't stop doing it.

JAV NTR for me is............complicated(tm)

Casshern2 · Sep 12, 2020

When I first stumbled up such titles I was also taken aback by the way the hubby kind slowly disappeared and the wackiness continued. Surely wouldn't want to be in that position! But, as you say, fun to watch!

wowsers · Sep 12, 2020

There are so many now they should be labelled with sub-genres. Those are more of a deception or break-up fantasy. Plus there's the same thing without any r*** themes. Then there are the coercion themes (such as gameshows), straight-up consensual videos, or even ones where the extra party is the one being deceived. Would be surprised if each of these has the same audience.

kharo88 · Sep 13, 2020

You sound like a woman trapped in an abusive relationship.

I never got into NTR but as far as I know it's cuckolding, which doesn't appeal to me. So I'd say just watch the other works of those actresses and be done with it if you really don't like the storylines.

GemeralMarcus · Sep 13, 2020

Well, I guess I really can't help it but unconsciously view the thing with under the husband POV (pathetic, weak, no-balls husbands, but actually good guys and don't actually deserve it). If the husband's abusive, watching it would be no prob at all (You go girl! Run with your r**ist/loverboy out of the abusive relationship. Free yourself!)

On the other side, I just found very few what I would call as I dunno... "Anti-NTR"? I dunno why this theme is so few, considering Japanese culture. The general premise is the husband found out about the cheating and knocked some sense to the wife (it's porn, so something like fucked some sense, instead of talked some sense). The ones I found DVAJ-461 DVAJ-390 [Anybody knows other, let me know]. DVAJ-454 is a little bit different but it's got the "found out cheating" theme.

If you have engsub for DVAJ-390, please let me know. For bloody's sake, I just can't understand what the very last scene. Was it a dream? Was it in the past? Future? What?

asianbooblover · Sep 13, 2020

I have the same feelings expressed here- would not like to be in the situation of a weak-willed, wimpy husband who watches while his wife is fucking some other guy- or even, inviting guys in to boff his wife while he watches. But like others, I have to admit I like watching them all the while saying to the husband- "get some balls,will you, or kick her out out of the house and beat the crap out of this other guy!" I mentioned in another post, let's face it- husbands in general in JAV really take it in the shorts. They're usually weak-willed, wimpy, dickless wonders who have no interest in sex or can't get it up, which is what sets their wives into finding someone else. As GemeralMarcus stated, it's very complicated-why watch these films if you get so pissed off? I guess, because the wives are usually very hot, the sex is great and you just have to say to yourself- hey, it's just a movie.

rice12345 · Sep 13, 2020

There a few where the attacker/r**ist gets end up dying in some car accident. Anyway, I think you're suppose to take the role of the guy doing the NTR not the husband you get much more enjoyment out of this, but there's also genuinely cucks who also enjoy the husband's role I guess. NTR in Jav is pretty tame compare to hentai doujins.

Inertia · Sep 13, 2020

Very much agreed about how many movies have the wife cheating and the husband never finding out. Even just him finding her phone open with text messages between her and her lover showing and a quick cut to black would be a step up.

GemeralMarcus · Sep 13, 2020

I was first afraid I was gonne be mocked/flamed for this post, but it seems not to be the case

It's nice to discuss/share opinions and also read others' opinions about some JAV's topics w/o nicely.

rice12345 said:
Anyway, I think you're suppose to take the role of the guy doing the NTR not the husband you get much more enjoyment out of this

You're right. After all it's fantasy films (in this case fantasy about raping gorgeous women then having them falling in love with you). My stubborn brain just has a hard time switching to that role

BTW, SSPD-152 showed the husband was actually cheating first which made the wife feel miserable. At the ending, I was like "Yeah, show it to the bastard (ie. the husband) you're f*cking another guy" (Disclaimer : I don't condone dealing a cheating spouse with another cheating. Talk it out or get a divorce or something)

kessari · Sep 14, 2020

Tbh i thought its because of those Metoo influence and western ostracizing of n/c theme. Since many of the so called western r*** porn the women actually enjoying themselves like shouting "oh yeah oh yeah". Strangely even if its n/c but the women are depicteded as enjoying it , it actually "acceptable" in western culture. Personally I find it more self deceiving , as it seem to say n/c actions like raping or molesting is ok "if eventually the counterpart accept and enjoy it"

Even now in attackers.net productions, more and more videos are showing the victims smiling in the end at their so called attackers or eventually coming to visit the attackers of their own accord. Maybe the metoo is coming too hard on them too.

Electromog · Sep 14, 2020

I don't think that has anything to do with metoo. I've been watching JAV for quite a while and it always had the "r***ing woman eventually enjoys it and goes to the guy willingly" theme. Maybe it's more common these days, but it definitely isn't new.

I think this theme is very much against metoo, as it claims "if you r*** a woman often enough she'll become your girlfriend" which is not something the metoo crowd would like. If it were metoo you would see more videos where the r**ist either gets caught and goes to jail, or gets killed.

asianbooblover · Sep 14, 2020

rice12345- I think you hit it on the head exactly where we are supposed to identify with the attacker, not the husband. I can only assume that is what is intended. Good response that I will keep in mind in the future.

asianbooblover · Sep 14, 2020

Electromog- another sage observation.. the r***ing woman in these films eventually gets to the point where she thinks to herself- hey, this guy or guys are better than my husband, more..more. How many films featuring black actors have you seen the situation where the woman being attacked fights like crazy at first, but by the last segment, she is tonguing them and blowing them and asking for it. What does everyone think? Are the producers trying to say they were sluts to start with or just driven by lust? Hmmmmm

GemeralMarcus · Sep 14, 2020

asianbooblover said:
What does everyone think? Are the producers trying to say they were sluts to start with or just driven by lust? Hmmmmm

Well, in most of the films, there were hardly any scenes/indicators to show that the womens were slutty in the first place (I'm excluding the reverse-NTR films here, 'cuz that's not what this thread is about). On the contrary, they were often potrayed as the typical virtuos housewife that still kinda love their husbands. So, I'd say probably the latter.

Again, it's porn. the "pure innocent woman that has been introducted to wild sex, now becomes a succubus-like sex-crazy slut" has always been one of the most popular themes , especially in JAVs. This also could be one of the elements in NTR.

Allow me to digress a bit, to say that the basic concept could be from IRL. A lonely unhappy wife that's in a very vulnerable state, and another guy will comfort her. Of couse to translate to porn, you replace the method of comfort of "attentive conversation, friendly behaviour, good listener, etc" with "r***, r***, hard f*ck, hard f*ck, orgasm, orgasm"

The result could be similar though, both end up in a bed.

asianbooblover · Sep 14, 2020

Eh voila! I think you're right about the innocent woman who has been neglected who has been introduced to wild sex who can't get enough.. no more calls, I think we have a winner!

vlkay66 · Sep 16, 2020

I wish there were more where the husband enjoyed seeing his wife pleasured, and joined in. The ones where the couple go to make a 'memorial photoshoot,' and she ends up having sex with the model are not bad, except that the husbands in these seem to withdraw and turn away from what's going on. I think sub-genres would be a great idea.

asianbooblover · Sep 16, 2020

vlkay66- I could not agree more- that would be fun to see, especially if they dp her! Western porn has some of this as the husband hires someone to have sex with his wife and then joins in.. not often, but it does happen. But the trend seems to be that the husband for whatever reason has no interest in sex- fixated on work or has lost interest in the wife, whatever. As Electromog pointed out, the JAV companies want us to identify with the attacker, not the husband. I'm afraid he will continue to be the hopeless wimp he has always been.

asianbooblover · Sep 16, 2020

Ok-sorry to be so chatty, but this is such an interesting topic. I'm always amused in this genre where they usually pick the nerdiest looking actor they can find to play the husband.. he has loser written all over him. You usually see him at the dinner table, and he looks like he's afraid of being slapped(maybe by his wife ). One look, and you say to yourself- "this guy is a loser." I wonder if it will be the good looking neighbor, his boss, their stepson or at a company party where wifey will get boffed. But even more interesting is when the husband is played by an actor(sadly I don't know their names), who has been the guy who cuckolds hubby in many other films. I guess there are only so many with their "talent' to go around.

GemeralMarcus · Sep 17, 2020

asianbooblover said:
vlkay66- I could not agree more- that would be fun to see, especially if they dp her! Western porn has some of this as the husband hires someone to have sex with his wife and then joins in.. not often, but it does happen.

The only cuckold films that I have watched that is like you mentioned is ATID-335. Iroha (I love her, but also hate her as she seems to be a r*** queen) is in it. The husband didn't join but he jerked off during the action. Unfortunately this is not my cup of tea, so I hardly know much about the subject.

asianbooblover said:
Ok-sorry to be so chatty, but this is such an interesting topic. I'm always amused in this genre where they usually pick the nerdiest looking actor they can find to play the husband.. he has loser written all over him.

I think chatty is suitable trait in a disussion

I'm just guessing here, but I think most of the time the writer/director just wanna a dead-simple-story, thus totally dumbed down the husband char as "stereotypical loser husband". Regarding the hubby actor played by a r**ist actor in another film, it could be just a $$$ issue. "Our budget is short. Hey, do us a favor, just do these couple of quick short scenes as the husband. After all you're in contract of our company."

asianbooblover · Sep 17, 2020

That very well could be- I guess as I said, there are only so many guys available with their talents

JAV NTR for me is.....complicated(tm)

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