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Old 09-20-2009, 12:23 AM
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To me, the facts in every gender situation are quite clear - a female has XX chromasomes and a male has XY chromasomes.

A person can wear what they want, act how they want, have their bodies mutilated in different ways, but at the end of the day their chromasomes are either XX or XY. Anything different and they truly are sexually deviant.

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more is out about the story that sparked the gender question. It can be found here on CNN. I won't quote it entirely, but the last couple of paragraphs are interesting.
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"The questioning of her gender is based on a stereotypic view of the physical features and abilities attributable to women," she wrote in the letter, according to SAPA. "Such stereotypes demonstrate the extent of patriarchy within the world's sporting community."

The process of gender verification has undergone big changes since it was first introduced for international competition in the 1960s, the IAAF said.

The first mechanism involved "rather crude and perhaps humiliating physical examinations," which soon gave way to mouth swabs to collect chromosomes.

There were too many uncertainties with mouth swabs, so the IAAF abandoned them in 1991 and the International Olympic Committee discontinued them in 2000.

A proper test has yet to be found, the IAAF said, and the current tests are considered a good interim solution.
I had no idea that even now, in the 21st century, the we still cannot determine gender by a simple DNA test. I stand corrected.

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Old 09-26-2009, 05:19 PM
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(CNN) -- A woman who had the wrong embryo implanted in her gave birth to a baby boy Friday, according to a statement from the couple.

"Our family is deeply grateful for the support and prayers of so many people from around the world," the statement said. "We also would like to thank the medical professionals who provided superior care and treatment throughout the pregnancy and delivery."

"Our family is going through a very difficult time and requests privacy in the days ahead."

The couple said a fertility clinic implanted another couple's embryo into Carolyn Savage's uterus -- in essence, she become an unwitting surrogate for another family.

Ten days after the procedure in February, they received a call from the clinic's doctor: "Carolyn is pregnant, but we transferred the wrong embryos."

"I don't think I've ever cried so much in my life," Savage said. "It was such a nightmare and, in a way, I felt violated."

Within minutes of learning the news, the Sylvania, Ohio, couple decided to carry the baby and relinquish him to his DNA parents after birth.

They met with the baby's genetic parents and the DNA-related mother of the child came along for one doctor's appointment.

In their statement after the birth, the Savage family congratulated the biological parents of the baby.

"We would like to offer our heartfelt congratulations to the Morell family on the birth of their son," the statement said. "We wish Paul, Shannon, their twin girls and their new baby boy the best, as they move forward with their lives together."

The Savages did not release the name of the clinic where they underwent in vitro fertilization. They provided proof of their reproductive predicament, including results of amniocentesis, a genetic test, indicating the baby Savage was carrying was not theirs.
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To me this is also sexually deviant behavior.
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(CNN) -- Oscar-winning filmmaker Roman Polanski has been arrested in Switzerland on a decades-old arrest warrant stemming from a sex charge in California, Swiss police said Sunday.

Polanski, 76, was taken into custody trying to enter Switzerland on Saturday, Zurich police said. A spokesman for the Swiss Justice Ministry said Polanski was arrested upon arrival at the airport.

He has lived in France for decades to avoid being arrested if he enters the United States and declined to appear in person to collect his Academy Award for Best Director for "The Pianist" in 2003.

The director pleaded guilty in 1977 to a single count of having unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor, acknowledging he had sex with a 13-year-old girl. But he fled the United States before he could be sentenced, and U.S. authorities have had a warrant for his arrest since 1978.

Polanski was nominated for best director Oscars for "Tess" and "Chinatown," and for best writing for "Rosemary's Baby," which he also directed. He was en route to the Zurich Film Festival, which is holding a Polanski tribute this year, when he was arrested by Swiss authorities, the festival said.

A provisional arrest warrant was issued last week out of Los Angeles, California, after authorities learned Polanski was going to be in Switzerland, Sandi Gibbons, spokeswoman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office, told CNN on Sunday.

There have been repeated attempts to settle the case over the years, but the sticking point has always been Polanski's refusal to return to attend hearings. Prosecutors have consistently argued that it would be a miscarriage of justice to allow a man to go free who "drugged and raped a 13-year-old child."

The Swiss Justice Ministry said Polanski was put "in provisional detention." But whether he can be extradited to the United States "can be established only after the extradition process judicially has been finalised," a ministry spokesman said in an e-mail.

"It is possible to appeal at the federal penal court of justice against an arrest warrant in view to extradition as well as against an extradition decision," the spokesman wrote. "Their decisions can be taken further to the federal court of justice."

Gibbons said the extradition process will be determined in Switzerland, but said authorities are ready to move forward with Polanski's sentencing process, depending on what happens in Zurich.

Polanski was accused of plying a 13-year-old girl with champagne and a sliver of a quaalude tablet and performing various sex acts, including intercourse, with her during a photo shoot at actor Jack Nicholson's house. He was 43 at the time.

Nicholson was not at home, but his girlfriend at the time, actress Anjelica Huston, was.

According to a probation report contained in the filing, Huston described the victim as "sullen."

"She appeared to be one of those kind of little chicks between -- could be any age up to 25. She did not look like a 13-year-old scared little thing," Huston said.

She added that Polanski did not strike her as the type of man who would force himself on a young girl.

"I don't think he's a bad man," she said in the report. "I think he's an unhappy man."

Polanski pleaded guilty to a single count of having unlawful sexual intercourse with a minor.

There have been repeated attempts to settle the case over the years, but the sticking point has always been Polanski's refusal to return to attend hearings.

Prosecutors have consistently argued that it would be a miscarriage of justice to allow a man to go free who "drugged and raped a 13-year-old child."

Polanski's lawyers tried earlier this year to have the charges thrown out, but a Los Angeles judge rejected the request.

In doing so, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Peter Espinoza left the door open to reconsider his ruling if Polanski shows up in court.

Espinoza also appeared to acknowledge problems with the way Polanski's case was handled years ago.

According to court documents, Polanski, his lawyer and the prosecutor thought they'd worked out a deal that would spare Polanski from prison and let the young victim avoid a public trial.

But the original judge in the case, who is now dead, first sent the director to maximum-security prison for 42 days while he underwent psychological testing. Then, on the eve of his sentencing, the judge told attorneys he was inclined to send Polanski back to prison for another 48 days.

Polanski fled the United States for France, where he was born.

In the February hearing, Espinoza mentioned a documentary film that depicts backroom deals between prosecutors and a media-obsessed judge who was worried his public image would suffer if he didn't send Polanski to prison.

"It's hard to contest some of the behavior in the documentary was misconduct," said Espinoza.

But he declined to dismiss the case entirely.

Legal experts said such a ruling would have been extremely rare.

Polanski's victim is among those calling for the case to be tossed out.

Samantha Geimer filed court papers in January saying, "I am no longer a 13-year-old child. I have dealt with the difficulties of being a victim, have surmounted and surpassed them with one exception.

"Every time this case is brought to the attention of the Court, great focus is made of me, my family, my mother and others. That attention is not pleasant to experience and is not worth maintaining over some irrelevant legal nicety, the continuation of the case."

Geimer, now 45, married and a mother of three, sued Polanski and received an undisclosed settlement. She long ago came forward and made her identity public -- mainly, she said, because she was disturbed by how the criminal case had been handled.

Following Espinoza's ruling earlier this year, Geimer's lawyer, Larry Silver, said he was disappointed and that Espinoza "did not get to the merits and consider the clear proof of both judicial and prosecutorial corruption."

He argued in court that had "Mr. Polanski been treated fairly" his client would not still be suffering because of publicity almost 32 years after the crime.

Polanski's arrest Saturday came two days after one of his wife's killers died.

The director's pregnant wife, actress Sharon Tate, and four others were butchered by members of the Manson "family" in August 1969. Polanski was filming in Europe at the time.

By her own admission, Susan Atkins held the eight-months-pregnant Tate down as she pleaded for mercy, stabbing the 26-year-old actress 16 times.
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Another example of well spent US tax dollars at work,(note:this is a sarcastic comment).

After all this time let the poor bastard alone is what I say and no I don't care if anyone agrees with me on this or not.
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EXCUSE ME???

Incest is illegal in EVERY civilized society.
Sorry, but you are wrong. Incest is totally legal in the following nations:

Belgium
Brazil
France (But it is illegal to marry first, second or third degree relatives or adopt their children)
Japan
Portugal
The Netherlands (incest laws were abolished 200 years ago)
Sweden (Half-siblings may marry from the age of 16 if they receive permission from the county administrative board)

So as you can see, it is not wise to assume that just because America has certain laws you see as "morally correct" that the rest of the world sees it like America does; America is not the center of the world and we do not have the right to force our way on others.

Also note: in the nations above, though incest is legal, child abuse of course isn't since the two are not the same. Child abusers are punished to the fullest extent of the laws in the above listed countries.
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UK Artist arrested for having "indecent images and pseudo-images of children".

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Graham Ovenden, 67, was found with indecent pictures in the file on his PC and despite trying to delete it and said they were to be used for an art work, a court heard.

Mr Ovenden is a painter, fine art photographer and writer, who has displayed in the Victoria and Albert Museum, The Tate and the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York.

But officers found 16 separate images Mr Ovenden had created and 121 other indecent images stored in files in his computer's memory, the court heard.

Officers found the files when they raided his Gothic mansion in Cornwall and Ovenden admits he made the images on his computer.

But Mr Ovenden - whose major works feature young girls - says the pictures were all being used to create an ''end product'' for artistic display.

Mr Ovenden does not deny making the images but has pleaded not guilty to 34 different child porn offences.

Ramsay Quaife, prosecuting, at Truro Crown Court, said: ''What the police found was a graphic application called Adobe Photoshop, and its the use of the file browser in this programme to view the images which led to the cache files being created.

''You can be sure that the copy of the images in the cache is the same as the image made by Mr Ovenden - he was making these images, and a virtual trace or footprint was left on the computer.

''Through what the experts found on the computer and through admissions of the defendant, you can be quite sure the defendant was making indecent images on this computer.''

Officers raided Mr Ovenden's home in November 2006 and Mr Quaife says he immediately admitted they were his pictures.

He said: ''When first asked about the images, Mr Ovenden said they were deliberately intended so we should find them, and that he had been working on his creations for about a year.

''He added 'I am totally responsible in every way'. Mr Ovenden said to police, 'the process of the image making is actually to create corruption, then overlay corruption'.''

The court heard in police interview Ovenden then quoted Shakespeare's Hamlet to explain why he made the images.

Mr Quaife said: ''He told officers, 'it is but skin and film, an ulcerus place, while rank corruption lies within'.

''But what the crown say is that there can be no doubt that these images are indecent - indecent pseudo images are indecent.

''By the means of modern technology, pretty much anyone can have a virtual studio on their computer - and he was busy making thoroughly indecent images on that computer.''

Robert Linford, defending, argued his client had the images as a means to create his famous artwork.

He says his client had shown completed work to officers which appeared to show the image of a young girl, with words of poetry superimposed over the image.

Mr Linford said: ''My client repeatedly wrote to the police and showed them these images of his final pieces of work.

''It would have been in rather flowery artistic language, but 'look, here are the final prints, this is the final product'.

''He has repeatedly argued that the images seized from him were very much a work in progress, and that these were the final outcomes, the prints were the finished products.''

Mr Ovenden has pleaded not guilty to 16 counts of making indecent images of children, and 16 counts of making indecent sudo photographs of children.

He is also charged with two counts of possessing 121 indecent photographs and ''pseudo photographs'' of children.

In 1975 Ovenden founded the artistic movement the 'Brotherhood of Ruralists' with then-wife Jann Haworth and fellow artists Graham Arnold and David Inshaw.

Mr Ovenden was born in Hampshire and attended Itchen Grammar School and the Royal College of Music before taking up painting around 1962.

He was tutored by Lord David Cecil and Sir John Betjeman and attended the Southampton School of Art, and graduated from the Royal College of Art in 1968.
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Exclamation Well, I thought, perhaps, I would let this thread die ...

... but this has got to be just about the most horrific story I've ever read ...
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(CNN) -- A 14-year-old California boy told police he drowned his 4-year-old neighbor on Friday because the child had threatened to tell his mother the older boy had molested him, according to an affidavit made public Wednesday.

Raul Renato Castro has been charged in Fresno County as an adult, with special circumstances including murder during a child molestation, sodomy, kidnapping and murder of a witness to prevent testimony, according to the district attorney's office.

He faces separate felony charges of kidnapping, sodomy and child molestation.

The affidavit, filed by the Fresno County Sheriff's Department, says Castro told investigators he lured the victim, Alex Christopher Mercato, into his apartment "by telling the victim he had something to show him."

Police have said no one else was in the Mendota, California, house at the time.

Castro then talked the boy into entering the bathroom, according to the document. Castro said he then sodomized the toddler, after which "the victim tripped over the carpet, fell, and hit the back of his head on the bathtub," the affidavit says.

"Castro said the victim started crying and told Castro he was going to tell his mother. Castro said he panicked and decided to kill the victim by drowning him in the bathtub.

"Castro turned on the water to the bathtub and filled it up just enough to put the victim's face underwater and drowned him. Castro said he held the victim underwater 2-4 minutes. Castro got into the bathtub with the victim, held him down until the victim died."

"Castro then carried the victim over his left shoulder and put him [in]... the clothes dryer to conceal him."

The incident occurred Friday afternoon, after Mercato's parents discovered that their child, who had been playing outside their house, was missing, Fresno County Sheriff Margaret Mims told reporters Monday.

The parents called police, who searched the neighborhood and nearby parks in Mendota, 33 miles west of Fresno, she said. Soon, the FBI was called in.

On Saturday, authorities resumed the search and found the body stuffed inside the dryer in the apartment next door.

An autopsy determined the victim had drowned.

Under California law, a 14-year-old is not eligible for the death penalty or a sentence of life without the possibility of parole. If found guilty, Castro could receive no more than 32 years to life plus 15 years.
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I have a thousands comments, but all words escape me. This story is sickening.
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